Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Only on this one I dont agree ... on your other points yes, because as I stated he, Floyd, is technically better, clearly! Btw. that ability of Pac is the only I see with which he might beat Floyd, nothing else.

Anyone got clips where you can see Floyd unloading with powershots?

Would be nice to compare to what I saw from JMM the 38 year old wonder.

 

I've always said that Marquez was an offensive and aggressive physical counterpuncher beyond belief.

Marquez countepunches aggressive come foward fighters better than anyone I've ever seen in my 30+ years watching boxing.

.....but lets not kid ourselves into believing that because Mayweather does'nt do it in the exact same way, Pacquiao will give him problems.:nut

The truth is that Mayweather has alot of the tools Marquez used to beat Pacquiao.
He can pivot to his left and shoot a straight right counter just like Marquez can.

The scary part about it if you're a Pacquiao fan is that Mayweather does it quicker and faster at this point than Marquez......and he cracks harder with single blows as well at this weight of 147 lbs.


......and lets not forget here that Mayweather has the added advantage of studying film of all three of the Marquez-Pacquiao fight and look at what troubled and what did'nt trouble Pacquiao.

Lets get real here. I'm with alot of you people in this forum. I just dont like Mayweather the man. I think he's a complete uneducated egotistical jerk.

.....that however has to be set aside when you analyze his boxing ablility. His ability to study an opponent and implement a gameplan to beat that opponent is as good as anyone's in the game today.

If you all think Pacquiao was gunshy last night vs Marquez, wait ti'll you get a hold of how gunshy Pacquiao will be when Mayweather starts bouncing right hand counters flush on his moving foward face.

Honesly I think everyone of you who wants to see this fight will feel embarrassed and taken for wanting to do so.:deal

Boga, you need to look at the whole package that Mayweather offers.
What Marquez does that Mayweather does'nt is stay in the pocket immediately after landing and look to land more. Thats why he's so pleasing to the eye to watch.

Mayweather usually wont go past 2, 3 at the most punches and either pivot out or clinch to disrupt rhythm.
.......I think you're dismissing some of Mayweather's disruptive attributes that Marquez does'nt employ.


......and btw Boga, I went back and read your entire post out of respect for you as a poster.
You're right, I should have read it in its entirety before responding, but I did'nt because I just could in no way shape or form see what you headlined in this thread of yours.

I apologize for not taking the time initially for not reading it. I think your quality of posts deserve it.
.....but I still disagree with the premise of it.

 

Those gifs of Marquez having a hard time finding Mayweather proves my point in my initial post in this thread.
To trouble Mayweather, you either need a height and reach advantage or you need to be physically stronger than Mayweather to bump him on your way in and attack when you're really up close to the body and then the head as Castillo had some sucess with against Mayweather in their first fight.

 

What you got in return except for pure ignorance?

In addition, De la Hoya was whuppin Floyd when Floyd showed the balls to get in an exchange, the ONE time he did in the 12th round.

So in that sense, at least from what's proven, Marquez' has Floyd's number on combinations.

And Floyd was lettin Ortiz get him on the ropes pretty consistanty, and BOGOTZO....

GREAT POST.

I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, but don't tell people stuck on a man's dick. They can't see the difference.

 

I just expect a clinic by MW ..Said this before the Marquez fight ..Marquez just gels with Manny much better..

 

Obviously you didn't you spasticatsch JMM's lateral counterpunching neutralizes Pac's angles, Mayweather generally moves back in straight lines and is not so willing to counter mid-combo, instead covering-up in his shell, blocking & parrying. Floyd will be the favourite but JMM's counterpunching style is more effective against Pac's offense :deal

 

who finds himself on the ropes more often in fights?

Floyd does, and it probably wouldn't serve him well against Pac. The question raised in the first post is whether stylistic nuances make JMM better suited to neutralize Pac's offense, not who is the better fighter (JMM,May) in an all-around sense, measured category by category.

 

So basically your only point giving Pac any chance against Floyd is saying that Floyd's counter punching while only moving front and backwards(which I disagree) ability is equal to the ability to run backwards without countering of a shot, old and scared Mosley? Gimme a ****ing break... If Pac showed something in this fight is that once he gets countered the offensive "demon" hides scared and Floyd will counter him faster, stronger and more accurately than JMM.

BTW, last time I checked Floyd has changed his style and is WAY more offensive when countering, just watch what happened against Mosley and Ortiz. So please stop kidding yourself. Floyd is a better fighter than Marquez in every department and will probably destroy Pac in more convincing manner than Marquez. Don't be blinded and try to give legendary status to your idol Marquez for exposing Pac, by saying that Floyd cannot do the same or better Juan Manuel's performance last night.

And I'm a JMM fan and I'm glad he exposed Pacfraud, but to compare Floyd with the shot Mosley that fought Pac is utter bull****.

 

Quit polishing this turd.

Pac is a fraud and has been exposed. There has been no improvement in his style and he is just a cherry picker.

 

the difference between marquez and floyd is that marquez is willing to take the punch as to counter, floyd is a great counter but is not willing to take the punch. it becomes dificult to counter pac without taking the punch concidering he has great speed as well. that is why u cant compare how floyd would do using the marquez fight as reference.
that is my two cents.

 

I understand what the TS is trying to say, the method in which they employ their counters is different, BUT Floyd looks much sharper than anything I've seen of Juan as of late.

 

Pac is not a fraud, arum is. Pac is not a cherry picker, arum/roach is.

 

He couldnt cut it off against Mosley either. When you step to Pac's right he has serious problems.

 

Great analogy. But let me ask you two questions. One, Can Manny hit Floyd as consistently as he hit Marquez? Two, Is it impossible that Floyd wouldn't be able to land on Manny at a much higher consistent rate than JMM did?

 

I did not read your post, but I think I already know what you are trying to say.

How I wish you are right.

But truth is, Pac chances against Floyd is not good.

Come fight time, the odds will be like 10 - 1 in favor of Floyd.