Marquez deflated my anticipation for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather

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  1. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    I'm a huge Pacquiao fan and I can't stand Mayweather anymore. I respect his skills, but can't stand his antics and his fight with Ortiz just made me utterly hate him.

    With that being said, I highly anticipated the prospect of a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather match with high hopes that Pacquiao's improved skillset, his blazing speed, unparalleled power, and incredible athleticism would perhaps give Mayweather his first lost.

    That anticipation...those high hopes...were killed tonight because of Marquez. With all due respect to Marquez, who I truly think is a GREAT GREAT GREAT fighter, I think Mayweather can do everything Marquez can do and more.

    Mayweather has ALL the ring intelligence, adaptability, and intuition that Marquez has. What he ALSO has is unmatched speed and athleticism.

    I didn't honestly think Pacquiao would knock out Marquez, because Pacquiao has had his explosive blowout wins over people who were either past it (De La Hoya), were purely one dimensional straight forward aggressive fighters, or people who were not exceptionally gifted technically.

    Tonight was to show me that with all of Pacquiao's growth technically, with all of his string of successes these past years, with him becoming the all around perfect fighter; that he was able to more convincingly jump over that one hurdle that had given him so much trouble: The true boxer/counterpuncher.

    I felt Pacquiao did enough to win this fight...I also think Marquez could have very well won this fight. It could have gone either way in my mind, and even a draw was fair. This is all very subjective because it depends on what you like to see in a fighter, and how you score a fight. Either way, he didn't jump over this hurdle convincingly.

    What IS NOT subjective, however, is that Mayweather is not only a true boxer/counterpuncher...he is the GREATEST pure boxer/counterpuncher/defensive fighter of the past decade...AND he is blessed with exceptional speed and athleticism.

    What am I saying?

    If Marquez was a 3 foot hurdle, then Mayweather is a 6 foot hurdle.

    I have very mixed feelings about Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. I know that Mayweather is especially now salivating to get Pacquiao in the ring after he's seen how a smaller man than Hatton, De La Hoya, Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, etc. was able to present such a hard time for Pacquiao after Pacquiao's "transformation" as a fighter.

    I believe Mayweather will beat Pacquiao, but I'll never respect him for doing it as much as I would have respected him for doing it before this fight.

    You could see the frustration and disappointment on Pacquiao's face because even he expected that, after this long journey of transformation and with all the success he's had with much larger opponents, that he would dominate Marquez like never before.

    But he didn't, and he'll have an even harder time against Mayweather.

    :-(
     
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  2. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention. Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao AND he's just as fast.

    The fight doesn't hold as much intrigue for me as it once did.
     
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  3. pourya

    pourya Active Member Full Member

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    no shiat- but wait maybe daddy arum will buy him the judges? but i think mayweather is too smart to let arum run the judges..
     
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  4. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Like I said in another post, neither Floyd or Pacquiao is holding this fight up. From your post you seem like a smart guy so I am sure you understand why I would say this.

    In reponse to your post, exactly. I still think Pac will catch Floyd if they fight and possibly hurt him but I have said in the past that Pacquiao gets knocked out via bodyshot if they fight.
     
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  5. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its good analyzing Pac's capabilities against JMM, but it's not the same skillset. JMM is a counter puncher and oftentimes not afraid to engage and get hit just to get his punches thru. This is the only way you can beat Pac, like how i think JMM won. Its not the same with floyd who is a defensive boxer and doesnt like getting hit, he'd rather potshot his way to victory.
     
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  6. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    This is true, but that means Pacquiao has even LESS opportunities to get punches through. Plus, I truly believe Mayweather CAN and WILL do what he has to do to win, should the time arrive. He proved this when Mosley rocked him in the 2nd round. Mayweather came out in the 3rd round with a conviction we hadn't seen in him for some time.
     
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  7. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I couldn't give a **** about this fight any more.

    **** should have gone down 2 years ago.
     
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  8. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm actually bummed about this. I have said for YEARS that Floyd would easily handle pac, and now everyone knows it too. I was gonna bet a **** ton of money on it but I'm sure the odds will be in Floyds favor now. Now, everyone knows Mayweather will win. Its way less fun.
     
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  9. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree. you are selling Mayweather very short who is far more versatile than this. While mayweather can pot shot, he hasn't done it in his last 2 fights. Floyd doesn't have to get hit to get punches in, as he has better reflexes and better defense than JMM, he can do so without taking the damage that JMM sometimes does. But to be honest, JMM made Pac miss a lot, so what you are suggesting is not really reality. Pac doesn't have to touch a persons face with a lot of punches to cause swelling... look what Mosley's face looked like and he didn't even hit his face much as mosley was running after the 3rd.

    Mayweather isn't afraid to engage and even if he wanted to pot shot it would be even worst for pac, who would become so frustrated.
     
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  10. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People that compare JMM's performance vs Pac and than JMMs performance vs Mayweather to judge how Pac vs Mayweatehr will do need to just stop watching boxing all together.
    Does styles make fights mean anything to you? or just because JMM and Mayweather are supposedly both counter punchers mean they fight exactly the same right?

    Dear god JMM and Floyd fight nothing alike, JMM is a offensive orientated counter puncher where Floyd is purely defensive.
    The 3 big things that JMM does that make him so very dangerous to Pac is his willingness to throw when his opponant throws + capeble of matching Pacs volume.
    Last but not least he counter punches in COMBINATIONS, when is the last time that Pac has ever been discouraged by single punches?

    Now all this being said this by no means indicates that Floyd can't or won't win vs Manny but just because JMM gives Pac hell does not say **** on why Floyd would.
     
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  11. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Same, It takes away from the hype for sure.
     
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  12. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    I never compared JMM's performance vs. Pac to JMM's performance to Mayweather.

    And while Marquez is naturally a more aggressive counterpuncher, you're severely underestimating Mayweather by thinking that he is not able to be an aggressive counterpuncher should the situation arrive.

    Mayweather doesn't care if he gets booed...he is quite content putting on a boring fight...he doesn't like getting punched, and he likes potshotting. This is all true. But what is also apparent, is that he does NOT accept losing and will do whatever he needs to do to remain dominant. Again...this was apparent with Mosley who rocked Mayweather in the 2nd round. Mayweather could have easily continued to run away from Mosley and pot shot...but did he? No...he really took it to Mosley and shut him down.

    The point of all this, is that if an improved Pacquiao can't convincingly beat a boxer/counterpunching minded fighter (regardless if defensively or aggressively counterpunching) in Marquez....how the hell can he beat a MASTERFUL pure boxer/counterpuncher in Mayweather who has shown he can be aggressive or defensive?

    Like I said...if Marquez is a 3 foot hurdle...Mayweather is a 6 foot hurdle. And Pacquiao clipped his feet on the 3 foot hurdle. :-(
     
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  13. xizor

    xizor Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As much as i hate the term i gotta say it, this is some true ******* ****. but whats worst is that your enjoyment in a super fight is just to see one man lose cause he rubbed you the wrong way, and not the potential of the super fight its self.
    You my friend are a girl with girl desires and emotions. Try becoming a boxing fan then 1 you will have seen that the super fight was not all that super to begin with cause mayweather would have won. 2 Let's pretend pac did have a chance boxing fans want to see the best fight the best because they are the best and could produce a great fight.
     
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  14. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, the crushing straight rights swelling up Ortiz' face were pot shots. More like iron skillet shots. :lol:

    Pacfraud is exposed. *******s are homeless.
     
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  15. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You said you do not compare but then all the reasons you state directly compares the 2 performances.
    Floyd has shown nothing of what JMM does that makes him such a hellish opponant to Pac.

    Once again styles make fights, and also once again Floyd surely can beat Pac but not by the blueprint thats laid out by JMM.
    You can't single pot shot at 35 punches a round and beat Pac, ******ed judges will give it to Pac purely based on volume no matter if he hits or not.

    Marquez throws a hell of a lot more than Floyd and they still gave it to Pac based on volume.
    This means Floyd will have to do something we haven't seen him do.

    People that can not actually analyze fights go like this:

    JMM is a counter puncher, Mayweather is a better counter puncher because he beats JMM.
    There for Mayweather beats Pac easier.

    Its kinda hysterical but also rather sad.

    Look closely at what JMM does that makes him succesfull vs Manny and then ask yourself if Mayweather does any of it.
    Styles make fights.
     
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