Marquez: "Objectively, I Can Honestly Say Hamed Shouldn't Be In The Hall Of Fame"

was he **** in big trouble against kelly have you even watched the fight he wasn't hurt once in that fight despite being knocked down 3 times:-(

 

You just said it yourself. :good

 

getting knocked down due to fighting at stupid angles and jumping about doesn't mean your hurt

 

I never said Hamed was hurt, and of course I have seen the fight. More than once, it's Lyle/Foreman at 126. Awesome stuff.

The point I was making, and you know this, is that Hamed was hittable and flawed even with Ingle. Any version of Hamed gets completely out boxed by the post-Jones 2 version of Barrera.

 

Could have, would have but did not.

 

I do agree in some respects but lets be realistic at the time nobody thought barrera could box that well they tohught he was a brawler and thats why hamed was a big favourite. If barrera had fought hamed the same way he foguht morlaes he would have been koed, he knew that himself so thats why he chaged up his style of fighting. Hamed by this point was a lazy arrogant **** who didn't train properly and just tohught he could knock everyone out. Hamed is very simular to tyson in the fact that nobody knws how good he really was alot of people hype him and alot underate him, i do think hamed is alot better than yopur giving him credit for talent wise but he never trained enough or had the intelligence to stick with what he was good at(fighting the ingle way). If you look at roy jones he isn't a great traditional boxer but his speed and reflex's made that not matter if hamed had lived upto his potential he could have been an amzaing fighter instead of a good fighter.

 

I disagree. Hamed was gifted with natural power, speed and reflexes - but he had very little technical boxing skills. What you are saying is basically "if he was a much better boxer he would have been a much better boxer"!! But he wasn't.

 

Was Hamed Welsh?:cheers

 

i just said he didn't have alot of technical skill like roy jones but that didn't stop jone sbeing a p4p king did it.

 

I respect your opinion.

There is a common misconception however that the Hamed fight was the first indication of Barrera being a masterful Boxer. The first time he truely showed some Boxing skills was in the rematch with Jones, and although he came up short, this proved to be just the beginning of a style Barrera would go on to master.

He decided to let it all out against Morales. There was a tradition going, both Mexicans, and Barrera knew how people were percieving this match-up. The old king vs the new king. Morales was supposed to win that fight, and if you look at the odds for it, he was supposed to win it fairly easily. Barrera let it all hang out, and Morales brought the best out of the brawling Barrera, who still showed a lot of Boxing skill in that fight. His swift counters, and 3-4 punch combinations was always astonishing to behold.

However, the Salud fight was arguably Barrera's greatest ever performance, the fight leading up to the showdown with Hamed. In that fight, Barrera paced himself perfectly against a seasoned veteren with a great record, and utilised his left uppercut and a new weapon, his straight right, to utterly dominate the overmatched Jesus Salud. The fight was eventually stopped when Salud quit on his stool, and one of the commentators that night was Emmanuel Stewart himself who conceded on the night that "This version of Barrera would be very high on that P4P rating". He would go on to describe how difficult a match-up this would be for Naz, and those words proved ever true.

People didn't do their research for the Naz fight, and Barrera added insult to injury by saying in the press conference that he was to brawl. He fooled everyone, including Naz.

 

Ridiculous point. Not only was Jones more naturally gifted in every way than Hamed (except maybe single-shot power), but he had far better technical skills and a far better defence. Your comparison is crude, you are talking about two completely different levels of fighter.

 

i didn't say i didn't think he couldn't box well thought but at that point in time nobody thought barrera was the master boxer he then would become and most people did think he would get into a brawl with hamed to try ans shut him up.
I am pretty sure if he had tried to brawl naz he would have been koed and am also pretty sure if naz gave a **** about boxing and training by that point he might have beaten barrera the stupid two trianers thing, all the yes men and his idiot brother riaz(or however its spelt). The thing is nobody will evevr know the same as tyson it is all well and good saying any good boxer beats him but thats just opinion he wasn't in his prime/peak when he foguht barrera he peaked young and got lazy. I am not now saying that he was amazing and would beat barrera but really none of us know.

 

i don't agree jones didn't have great technical skill that is quite easy to see now his speed and reflex's have gone, i am not saying hamed was as good as jones byt they are simular in that respect. You seem to let your ahte for fightersc lowd your judgement to much. Also hamed's ones shot power was a level above jones lets get that right. Lets also add that hamed could have carried on as a 122 pound fighter but moved up for better competion at the time .

 

- Barrera had shown previously against Salud, a pretty good fighter, that he was indeed a masterful boxer, and he could fight off the back foot with sharp counters. He had every punch in the book, and this was never more obvious than when he completely dismantled and humiliated the likes of Salud, Sanchez and to a lesser extent, Naz.

- There wasn't an indication that Naz was past his prime, because he was getting hit as easily as he had back in his prime days when he stepped up in competition. It's somewhat ironic that some Naz fans feel the Kelley fight was his peak performance, because it wasn't really an awesome display by any means. He was knocked down and hit on numerous occasions, often being outboxed by Kelley, who, godbless him, was nothing more than average at the time.

 

I don't think Hamed has a HOF worthy resume, however, they seem to like to emphasise the word "Fame". Hamed could get in, in the same way Gatti might do. Neither should be in, but both are possibilities.