Marquez: "Objectively, I Can Honestly Say Hamed Shouldn't Be In The Hall Of Fame"

atschHe didn't say that?

 

no i didn't he likes to lie

 

No kidding..... I guess the only way a fighter can get KO'ed is to the head, and that automatically means they don't take shots well....atsch

 

i did not see pac getting hurt in the barrera II match except for the cheapshot that mab did when pac was not aware when the ref is seperating them.

the version of pac that beat MAB the first time would probably give hamed a beating and possibly a late stoppage. of course hamed has a puncher's chance on this one for pac is not as well-rounded as he was now when he was at 122/126.

 

just like how i said hamed was a great fighter, oh wait you read this thread as well and have seen i said he was only a good fighter atsch

 

So you concede that Manny Pacquiao was hurt in the fight? Saves a lot of bickering.

Even in the fight Barrera, the first fight, Pacquiao took a few shots. Barrera didn't carry his power up well at all after moving up from 122, but Hamed would have been a whole different story altogether. Likewise, as I said before, Hamed would be a lot more offensive than Barrera was in that fight, so I don't see how we can make an indication from that fight alone on how this matchup would turn out.

 

yeah, style makes fight but hamed is not jmm. though hamed loves to wait and counter, he is not on the same league as JMM. i doubt if hamed even ahs JMM's patience. if you think hamed can do what JMM did to pac that night, you are mistaken.

also hamed loves clowning opponents. during that time, pac will be unknown and hamed would likely clown pac not knowing about his caliber.

 

That's one possibility. The other is that Pacquiao bares in with his wide telegraphed punches, and Hamed counters with a quick right hands and uppercuts. I think it is that kind of fight. Pacquiao's best weight was not at 126, he was a flawed fighter, and although we saw him perform relatively well against counter punchers, he never fought a slugger on Hamed's levels.

 

he was hurt for a moment coz he is surprised with that cheapshot. have you heard of the saying, those punch that hurt the most are those you did not see? it is also applicable on this one.

why is it that if a fighter is not offensively active when they fought pac, you instantly say that it was the fighter's fault (shot, weight-drained, others)? have you considered that maybe barrera was not that active offensively because he was overwhelmed by pac's workrate, speed and power? imo, this will be the same scenario if a fight with hamed happens. of course as i said, this is boxing. everybody has a chance. especially for someone like hamed who packs a wallop.

 

It is my opinion that De La Hoya was either weight drained or shot on the night of the Pacquiao fight. The indication began on the scales, where De La Hoya actually weighed less than Pacquiao. He hadn't fought at that weight in 7 years, and on fight night he never looked slower and as inactive as he did that night. Let's not try and label me a hater as a result of that, okay.

I think Barrera's prime was during 2000-2003. Perhaps he had lost nothing physically during the Pacquiao fight, but he was coming off pretty easy wins over Tapia and Kelley, two shop-worn fighters who didn't really offer all that much. However, I have stated on more than one occasion, that this should be considered a great win for Manny.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I am labled a hater because I believe these things. It isn't like I was the only one who had him losing both fights with Marquez, I think there is a lot of substance to the arguement. It all depends on how you score those close competitive rounds, especially round 1 during their rematch earlier this year. There were a few clear cut rounds, Round 3 and 9 for Manny, and rounds 8 and 12 for Marquez. Other than that, it was tit for tat.

I think Hamed is a live opponent in a fight with Manny Pacquiao at 126 during their respective primes. Pacquiao dominating a counter puncher will not secure victory over a fighter who hit significantly harder as a Featherweight than Barrera, and who possessed handspeed and decent reflexes. I have already conceded that there was a lot of Flaws in Hamed, especially defenselessly, but Pacquiao was not particularly spellbinding in this area either.

Pacquiao was not the finished article at this point in his career, I think he tries to slug with Hamed if he tries to slug with Barrera, which he did, and that could get him in trouble with counter blows. That is a possibility, is it not? Or am I just dismissing Pacquiao like I always do. I already said I make Pacquiao favorite, mainly on the basis that Hamed choked against his greatest ever opposition, but Hamed is live.

 

hamed has more of a chance against pac at 122 than in 126. though most people just lump 122 and 126 together in pac's career, the difference is experience and some further improvement because of roach's tutelage. in fact, i would give hamed more than just a puncher's chance during his earlier stay at 122 where roach was not yet his coach. at 126, i am fairly confident that pac beats hamed just like mab.

 

i am not cosidering you a hater. i fell that you are just a strong critic, nothing wrong with it. but sometimes, its to annoying when all the fights have an excuse as to why someone loss and not seeing that maybe, the winner could have something to do with it also.

:good

i know that you really believe it coz it is your honest opinion about the fight. i don't know if i have called you a hater but maybe indirectly. i always use the word "some people" and "loud critic". if you believe that JMM won it, i have no problem with that because the fight is that close. but it is too annoying when people are using words like "robbery" and gift" when it is farthest from truth.

hamed is more than live opponent for pac at 126. but my honest opinion is pac would trouble more hamed in this fight than vice-versa. of course these are all opinions and unfair to hamed because this is a fantasy fight.

i agree on this.

 

i think pac-hamed would be 60/40 in pac's favor. hameds hands down style would get exploited by pac. his speed would close that distance between them and chances are, he'd hit hamed first with his straighter, economical punches. of course, pac's defense is'nt the best so hamed also has the possibility to take pac out. everything taken into account, pac would be favorite.

 

So we agree. Pacquiao is the favorite but with Hamed being a live challenger. :good

 

basically yes. but i am looking at a percentage of around 75-25 for pac. and that was pretty big for just a puncher's chance which i am counting on if i envisioned a hamed win. maybe you are looking around on a 55-45 for pac. imo, the higher the weight it goes, the lower hamed's chance.