Marquez P4P no.1

the fight was close (4-4) until jmm got the opening w/ diaz being cut leading to that KO. without such an opening, jmm again either wins or loses another fight via close decision. it's the same with a very much faded casa, 5-5 (some even say casa was leading 6-4) before casa became overconfident and careless resulting in that KO in the 11th. again, another close fight with a very faded barrera whom pac completely dominated in 2 fights. why can't jmm being a great elite p4p fighter not seem to dominate his either faded or inferior opponents in these fights?

as an elite p4p fighter, you should be able to easily dominate opposition who are either very faded or clearly inferior to you especially when you're expected to win. you're not supposed to have close fights with them and just manage to KO them if an opening presents itself. that's fighting at their level and under-performing which runs counter to what p4p means.

 

when pac retires

 

So your saying that if both fights had gone differently from how they actually did, then JMM might have only won narrowly or lost and therefore we should judge him on your imaginery version of the fight rather than the actual fights where JMM knocked out both opponents?

 

just stating the facts

 

its pretty close... but pac barely edges jmm out.

 

fact is that these fights were very close until the KOs. being the great elite fighter that he is, i was expecting jmm to win the greater majority of the rounds, dominate his opponents and then KO them, not for these fights to be close before he manages to KO his opponents after finding an opening.

 

i was in complete awe of this man- what a truely amazing atg fighter.

 

Who are you to say it's not debatable?? You are nobody. The Ring have Pac at number 1, and half this forum is debating that right now. It clearly is debatable you moron.

I defy anyone to have scored Pac v JMM II wider than a point either way. It was a razor-thin margin of victory and a win for either man could be argued. Personally I had JMM up by a point, but the judges disagreed, but in no way was the result a clear "robbery". If anything, that fight settled nothing, particularly in light of the fact that Marquez only got a draw in the 1st fight because of a scoring error.

Pacquiao has only lost once this century, 4 years ago to HOF lock Erik Morales, a defeat he avenged twice inside the distance.

Marquez lost 3 years ago to Chris John and never avenged it, a man who drew last night with Rocky Juarez.

After the John loss, Marquez beat

This content is protected

and

This content is protected

, while Pacquiao was destroying Morales and Oscar Larios.

In 2007, both men fought Barrera. Marquez was KD'd by him and won a close, competitive fight. Pacquiao beat him far easier and clearer.


Two walking punchbags eh??

If you say that, then by the same token Casamayor and Diaz were not exactly top class opposition. Casamayor looked to be well past-prime when he was beaten by Jose Armando Santa Cruz but somehow got the decision, Santa Cruz having been stopped by walking punchbag David Diaz a year earlier. Juan Diaz was well beaten by 36 year old Nate Campbell (5 losses on the record including two stoppage defeats to Robbie Peden and a loss to Casamayor), and who just went life and death with Ali Funeka.

Now I don't agree with the above paragraph, I think Casamayor and J.Diaz were top opposition and better fighters than D.Diaz, but if you are going to write D.Diaz off completely then it is only fair to point out the weaknesses in Casa and Baby Bull as well.


It would have been interesting to hear your prediction before the Pac-Oscar fight, considering you now call him a 'walking punchbag'. This walking punchbag beat Steve Forbes arguably more convincingly than Andre Berto did in Forbes's next fight - and that fight was at an almighty THREE POUNDS heavier than the Pac-Oscar fight was. Wow, he must have been a weight-drained corpse shedding those 3lbs alright.

Last year Pacquiao won fights in 3 weight divisions. He became the first former flyweight world champ to win a world title at lightweight and the first former flyweight world champ to win a fight at welterweight. Even with your very limited knowledge of boxing Radab, you must see that these are special achievements.


I have them joint p4p#1 now, I genuinely can't separate the pair of them at this point, and I think a third fight is necessary to do so. However, anyone saying it is "not even debatable" either way is just an imbecile. :good

 

You're delusional! Take THERAFLU! PACMAN beat him twice, the draw was a gift aside from the other gift given by CORTEZ for not stopping the fight in the first round. :hat

 

afert hatton no more:rofl

 

Pac is only #1 based on two technicalities...


1) Floyd has "retired' for now.. although any big money fight would likely lure his greedy egomaniacal ass out of retiremnt.

2) Pacquiao has the official "win" over JMM in their most recent fight. Even though if you ask most fans who actually won that fight they'll tell you Marquez deserved it over Manny.



Now if you switch just one of those technicalities around then Pac gets bumped down to #2 p4p. Switch both those technicalities around and Pac gets bumped down all the way to #3.... so technically Manny should probably be #1 right now based on those two factors, but that claim is very shaky at best.... because in reality if you ask the average hardcore fan to list the best fighters out there and you add Mayweather into the mix, Manny would get placed no higher than #3 right now. Why? Because most still think both JMM and Mayweather are better overall fighters than Manny.

 

he

This content is protected

my p4p no.1 but its open for debate,either way hes a great fighter&it was a great win last night.

 

Yeah, sure! :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Someone's delusional.

 

+1