Marquez-Pac 4 shows the importance of strength and conditioning

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dealt_with, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. RichC

    RichC Member Full Member

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    Strength training can improve punching power to an extent, however in this case, Marquez's (assumed) increased power is probably mainly due to an increase in weight through increased muscle size.

    Marquez was much heavier than in previous encounters and carried much less body fat. If Marquez, had the same result at, for example, 140 or below then we would have some "evidence" to back up benefits of a proper strength training program.

    I'm not disagreeing with you per se, just wanted to point this out.
     
  2. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was going to be my Point :D
     
  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    see no cartoons, no name calling now lets see what comes back. My prediction is that you will come back with cartoons, name calling and pointing how stupid my remarks are. A true boxing coach will understand what i have written, as the saying goes the balls in your court now.
     
  4. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you go into any gym be it MMA, or a boxing gym, there are some guys in there that you can tell right away that they have what they call heavyhands.
    Chuck Lidell a terrific natural puncher had bad punching form, but he still got the job done. You are right about having the proper forms, also punch placement, and leverage.
    If you want to increase your power, work on the mechanic's of proper form and placement of your shots. There is no magic formula that will turn a non puncher into a puncher, if anyone tells you that head for the exit, before he gives you a contract to sign for 2yrs, obligating you to pay high gym dues. Power does not come from only from the strength and weight of the body.
    Work on your proper punch mechanic's, ck out this vid of a coach illustrating the proper punch techniques and putting your body behind the shot..
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    The trainer in this clip trained JMM.
     
  5. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Typical textbook mumble jumbo, he is basically telling you that S&C is the answer and that boxing coaches live in the dark ages. See how simple that was without much self serving lecture on the evils of Boxing coaches and their beliefs. Boxing coaches have done alright with not knowing what the heck you are talking about, and FYI, they can care less, a boxing coach knows enough about getting a guy ready to fight conditioning-wise and are wise enough to bring in a conditioner if needed.
     
  6. ant-man

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    :lol:
     
  7. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    -in another words :I dont know what the hell is dealth with talking about,and i dont care to read a book cause im stuck in 1967.
    Im sure that Freddie Roach is gonna care about s&c if Manny will fight again.
     
  8. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Nogueira got knocked out against Frank Mir as well before that so you fail,and Cain has been working with S&C coach since the start of his career.So that kinda goes both ways,almost every mma fighter fighting on a high level has a S&C coach.
    Ben Henderson vs Nate Diaz-Diaz get demolished in 5 rounds and doesnt have a s&c coach,ben has one.
    I mean i can go with this is further but its really ****ing stupid.What does it prove?And i really dont wont to comment on calzaghe and valero.
    Dealth with only wanted to state what a good S&C programe can do to a fighter.
     
  9. JDK

    JDK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal
    What I saw last night was how Marquez applied what he worked on during training camp technique wise.
    I give full props for him and his team being clever and picking up proper conditioning routines to help Marquez reach a certain physical level.
    Again, being properly conditioned is only part of the pie. It's not like Marquez had not hurt Pacquiao in the past. His approach was very risky this time around, but his plan, which was put together with help of the right conditioning, was what toppled Manny last night.
    Hats off to Marquez
     
  10. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well said, S&C guys seem to think that they are the whole pie that total credit should be theirs. IF YOUR GUY CANT FIGHT< NO MATTER WHAT MUSCLE TWITCH FIBER, OSCILLATION OF THE FRAMUS AND ALL THE MODERN SCIENCE YOU BRING IN< IT WONT HELP.
     
  11. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who said otherwise? :patsch

    It makes no sense why you're carrying this on. You already admitted having a knowledgeable S&C coach can be a valuable asset to any team, yet you still bad mouth them all for no good reason.
     
  12. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :think Am I the only one commenting on this thread, or do you like me, you seem to be following me around, makes you wonder hmmmmm.... :think
    I guess you must've missed the first post on this thread, I direct you there and have you figure out why. You must be a yapper trying to draw me into your fecal matter.:hi:
     
  13. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without reading the thread and without trying to rain on anybody's science-boner....

    You punch a mother****er in the face like that while he's leaping toward you and he's taking a nap. Marquez didn't overpower Pac in any way, he used his exceptional skills, timing, and foreknowledge of Pacquiao to set up some great shots.

    The fact that Marquez can still use those skills at 39 is a testament to conditioning, but that win had little to do with Marquez' conditioning.
     
  14. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. You said something incorrect, I responded...

    It makes no difference what another post said. In your post you said "S&C guys seem to think that they are the whole pie that total credit should be theirs" which is yet another one of your generalizations which is incorrect.

    Feel free to play the victim and try and turn my post into some imaginary attack on you, it wasn't, I pointed out where you were wrong, but I'm not surprised as what you're claiming doesn't hold water.
     
  15. Ahurath

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    Joe calzaghe a granite chin?