Marquez v Calzaghe?!?

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  1. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is if Calzaghe was still active, but hadn't fought since his fight with Roy.

    Taking into account that Juan Manuel Marquez fought and beat both Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz, either side of Calzaghe beating up the corpse of Roy Jones, would you say that Calzaghe would still be ranked P-4-P no.2 in the world?

    I know some of you might have had JMM above him anyway, and others might have had him no.1 based on your "personal opinion" that he beat Pacquiao in their second fight (or maybe even in both bouts). But I'm looking for posters that had a similar outlook to myself at the time of Calzaghe's retirement; ie: (1) Pac (2) Joe C, and (3) JMM.

    Would the fact that Marquez had jumped up a division and stopped two highly ranked operators who had never been stopped before, and in a division that was pretty stacked, move him above Calzaghe into 2nd spot?

    Calzaghe fought Jones on 8/11/08, which given his activity in the last couple of years would make it perfectly feasible that he would not have fought again by this point in time.

    Also, take into account that Casamayor had never been decisively beaten before, taking big LW punchers Castillo, Corrales and Freitas to tight disbutable decisions.

    In addition, Hopkins fooled with Pavlik after JMM had beaten Casamayor, which would have brought up Calzaghe's stock.

    Basically, after weighing up the evidence, would JMM still be no. 2 P-4-P if Joe Calzaghe was currently active?

    Give me your 1,2 and 3, with Calzaghe still active in the mix:think
     
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  2. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    yes imo marquez would be number 2
     
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  3. eltorrente

    eltorrente Active Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe wouldn't be anywhere near the top 3.
     
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  4. MeXboX

    MeXboX Van City Full Member

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    Marquez.
     
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  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I almost had Marquez above Calzaghe even right after RJJ.

    and h2h forget about it Calzaghe is tailor made for JMM
     
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  6. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe shouldn't have been in the top 4 when he retired.
     
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  7. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    frankly, the top four in the past two years or so have to be Pac, JMM, PBF and Calzaghe. Pretty much doesn't matter about the order. They were the best of the best, though i'd more than accept an argument for B-Hop to joint them.
     
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  8. Cerberus

    Cerberus Kérberos, Hound of Hades Full Member

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    Is this a joke? Marquez has an argument to be #1.. so of course hes #2 over Calzaghe
     
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  9. jcrh22

    jcrh22 Active Member Full Member

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    How come Joe still doesn't get any credit for his win over Hopkins, yes Hopkins was old but he beat Tarver and Wright before the fight with Joe and Pavlik after. They were all in or around the top 10 p4p.

    I know this says more about Hopkins but surely Joe was the man who beat the man???
     
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  10. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe The Filipino Flash Full Member

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    :patsch

    Anyway, it's hard to really put Calzaghe #2 over JMM because we all know Joe retired. I think it really sticks in people's minds that Joe wouldn't have any fights lined up, too.

    Having said that, JMM is a worthy #2 over Joe. It's a toss up I think.
     
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  11. Sean101

    Sean101 Active Member Full Member

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    its a good job i read ur post because i jumped to the wrong conclusion when i saw the thread title lol
     
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  12. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    dont worry, this is not a head-2-head argument.
     
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  13. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    all i know is that i have become a huge marquez fan - i doubted him last time out and he amazed me...i was stunned...he is maybe my favourite boxer today
     
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  14. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The way i see it is if JMM fought Kessler, Bhop or RJJ he would not beat because they are basically too big, so i am giving it to JC. But i love JMM style, it's the most exiting in the sport today.
     
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  15. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    that's wrong :lol:
     
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