Marquez-Vasquez II, Round 5 - Knockdown or slip?

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  1. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    SLIP.

    It's like you guys are watching some different alternate reality of a fight... there was no punch landed during or right before that slip.
     
  2. younghov2k4

    younghov2k4 R.I.P. Thunder, Viper Full Member

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    from the replay that i saw in between rounds, it looked like a slip. the ref made the right call at that point.
     
  3. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Conspiracy theory? :lol: Whatever. The only thing ******ed is you if you can't see Marquez clearly landing a left hook to the chin. It's common sense. Vasquez loads up on a big left hook and get caught in between causing him to fall off balance. Slip my ass.

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  4. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Knockdown. And props to the poster above for posting the clip. Not to say the punch hurt him, but Marquez caught him just leaning in and it was just enough to start that loose footwork.

    Al Bernstein seemed off last night. IMO, he got both the 'slip' and the stoppage calls wrong.
     
  5. younghov2k4

    younghov2k4 R.I.P. Thunder, Viper Full Member

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    i still say that its a slip but it is close.

    that left does land but you can also see Vasquez's foot did slip afterwards. it could fall under a knockdown under the rule specifications, whatever they are.
     
  6. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Please... that left hook did land but it didn't seemed to be powerful enough to put Vasquez on his ass.
    A round ago, Vasquez took a full body weight straight right hand with a straight left hand and he came back like it was nothing.

    That left hook didn't put Vasquez on the canvas. It was a slip.
     
  7. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the stoppage was early. Marquez was not done, the ref could have at least give him 10 sec to see if he was really finished.
     
  8. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No ****, it had nothing to do with power. And like I said, Vasquez wasn't hurt. It had to do with the fact that Vasquez's momentum was coming forward, and he got timed perfectly. You keep saying it's a slip, but what caused the slip? Not the logos on the canvas. As the GIF shows, his balance was fine up until the point the punch landed. Coincidence?
     
  9. Doc BNB

    Doc BNB New Member Full Member

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    Honestly, it's a true judgement call, because I saw that punch on the replay, and that could certainly be rulled a knockdown becuase it started the whole thing, but the fact that Vasquez looked like he was still in a stance that would allow him to stay up, AND his foot on the EliteXC sign looked like it slid out of nowhere, I certainly don't think it's a crime to call it a slip.
     
  10. Doc BNB

    Doc BNB New Member Full Member

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    He has two feet, ya know. One foot is definitely on the logo, and while the punch certainly took away his front foot, the canvas looked like it helped with the back one.
     
  11. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can't really tell from that angle, but the foot on the logo did not slide. He lunged forward trying to load up on the hook.
     
  12. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Umm.. he slipped when that left hook hit his arm.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Not necessarily. Watch the replay, his front foot kicked out from under him - up and straight ahead from his own forward force that he generated landing those hard shots on Marquez. If your legs are in front of you, basic physics dictate that you will fall backwards or to the side. If anything, he probably would have scored an earlier KD in that exchange had he been more set. He landed a few clean shots and this made him go wild and abandon concentration on his footing. There's really not much mystery here.
     
  14. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    He gets caught with a left hand. What is wrong with you?
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    The left hook lands while IV is lunging. He was made to pay for being out of position and off balance. A legit kd.