Marquez Vs Diaz In Negotiation For Early 2009

This is one fight where JMM could very well fight on the backfoot all night and still put a jackhammer beatdown on Juan Diaz.

The come foward pressure that Diaz would bring is all that JMM would need to disect and put a beatdown on him at the same time.

.....and Diaz does'nt bring that one shot power that Pac brings to the table, so Marquez would be sitting comfortably in the pocket without much worry that a single shot could hurt him.

I've said that since before Juan Diaz got taken apart by Nate Campbell....this is a made to order fight for JMM!

 

you are right, this is a fight where marquez can choose to come forward or be on the backfoot and still be effective. bad news for diaz whichever way marquez decides to fight, imo

 

This honestly is a 50-50 fight. I see alot of people are underestimating J. Diaz. He's a tough, hungry young kid who I think is gonna trouble JMM with his workrate, lightning quick combinations, and his good defense. There's no way JMM will KO or stop this guy. The man's too tough and has taken heavy shots from someone stronger(i.e Campbell).

I'm leaning towards JMM though, but lets not underrate Juan Diaz just yet.

 

This would be a worrisome fight for me as a JMM fan, only if JMM had been showing signs in his past few fights that his stamina is'nt what it used to be.......
.....but to the contrary, JMM has looked stronger in the later rounds in all his past fights....with MAB, Juarez, Pac, and Casamayor.

Had JMM been showing stamina and workrate issues as say Bernard Hopkins has for several fight now, then your post imo would hold water and have value......but it just is'nt the case.

 

This is a good fight and if the stars align the right way, an excellent precursor of Pac-JMM 3. 2009 is shaping up to be another awesome boxing year.

 

I don't think JMM's stamina would matter here. I just feel that JMM hasn't faced someone like Diaz before. His workrate is just too hellish IMO to suggest that it would be a walk in the park for JMM. Then add his lighting quick combinations which are hard to dodge or block along with his good defense. Not to mention he could box too and create angles from which he could throw his combos. And those are extremely varied punches mate.

This isn't just a typical pressure fighter/volume puncher we got here. The guy has many tools at his disposal for a pressure fighter. I do think JMM will win, but its not gonna be that easy. Close but clear UD JMM for me. Wouldn't be surprised if its an SD.

 

i think diaz has a chance here due to his size, youth, pressure and volume punching. remember that casa is a former SFW (130) while diaz is a former light-welter (140). another thing is diaz is certainly much younger and in his prime compared to casa who is old and so much removed from his prime that ppl here consider him as shot already. diaz is also a pressure/volume fighter which seems to give JMM problems while casa certainly wasn't.

 

I'm just not seeing your scenario Sting.....you're just way off base in your analysis.

I dont see the skills that you talk of Juan Diaz.
He's basically a come foward pressure fighter.

Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz at his own game.....fighting on the inside, attacking Diaz' body....walking him down and kicking his ass every which way.
....if Diaz had the skills which you claim, where were they?
Where was plan B when Diaz could'nt match Campbell's strenghth and power?
The skill did'nt come out, now did they!

Work with me here sting....I'd love to exchange thoughts and ideas with you, but give me examples?

 

I never said anything about Juan Diaz having a plan B or any sort like that. I was simply saying that his pressure and volume punching style has more to it than alot of people think. This isn't just a typical pressure fighter who mindlessly comes forward and throws punches anywhere unpurposefully just to break the opponent down. This is a pressure fighter who methodically breaks you down with his pressure + workrate courtesy of his smart and very varied punches/combos. I mean the guy has every punch in the book locked down, he throws 5 to 6 to even 7 combos at the same time with pretty good accuracy. And he can mix all those up to the body and head wearing you down. You think JMM wouldn't get hit by atleast 2-3 of those FAST punches? Not to mention his jab seems to be pretty good as well. Combine all of that with the kid's toughness, will and determination and what have you?

Its not like JMM is some kind of a defensive wizard. He's been shown to be clearly susceptible to being hit. He's not a mover either who can get out of the way of the incoming punches. And he's practically facing a guy who throws more punches than him. I mean JMM has top-notch combos but its clearly not as many as Diaz' combos which, IMO, is also top-notch. So for evey 2-3 punch combo that JMM lands, he might recieve the same amount or even more punches from Diaz. Don't forget that Juan is a pretty good inside fighter.

Campbell beating Diaz at his own game is more a testament to Campbell's fighting ability than anything. It does not prove that JMM will easily beat Diaz. Beating someone at his own game is an EXTREMELY hard thing to do. Its a rarity and I doubt JMM could do the same thing.

 

The fact that a man who got knocked out twice by Robbie Peden, a fighter that JMM had throwing up blood and quitting on his stool.....that fighter is the fighter that imposed his will on Juan Diaz by beating him at his own game......

Diaz could'nt get it done with what he had, and so he did'nt have another plan to turn too.

JMM has shown that he can beat fighters in different ways......either going foward as he did vs MAB and Casamayor, or on the backfoot as he did vs Pac, Juarez, and many others.:deal

There are alot more dimensions to JMM than there is with Diaz.

Let me add, I cant stop but think the effectiveness of JMM's uppercut will be as Juan Diaz is marching foward with pressure!

Did you see Hopkins-Pavlik tonight Sting?
Skill dominated pressure and power!!!:deal :yep

The multi-dimensional Hopkins was too much for the persistent, but less skilled Kelley Pavlik!

No what I mean?:hey

 

Yes I know what happened to B-Hop-Pavlik. And guess what? I picked B-Hop to win. You can see my analysis/prediction of that fight on BigBone's thread. And I don't see it as a good comparison to what will happen to JMM and Diaz. Contrary to popular belief, the only similarity that B-Hop and JMM have is that they are both counter-punchers. That's it! Other than that, both of them are far apart with their overall style.

You know why B-Hop schooled Pavlik? Because of movement back and forth and side to side. B-Hop always made it a point to circle around the ring to disrupt his opponent's rhythm and line of target and he did that to Kelly as well, then there's the clinching. Not to mention that he's always been a great defensive fighter, rarely gets hit flush. JMM, IMO, is not that great in those 3 particular areas simply because its not his style. We know that he doesn't have much lateral movement nor is he a great defensive fighter. He's also not a clincher.

So I really don't think he will school Juan Diaz(who IMO is also a different kind of pressure fighter than Pavlik). I'm leaning towards JMM winning, but I don't think its gonne be an easy fight for him. You might not agree with this divac, but atleast consider it. As I do yours.

And I don't think its still that relevant to bring up old losses of a fighter. Fighters can also improve y'know.