Marquez vs Pacquiao III will be an Extremely close fight

fair enough!

 

140 is lightwelter. Pac has no belt there. I'd be happy to see them fight as long as nobody has to cut weight. Floyd has always known this and has always fought at his natural fighting weight without having to cut weight and compromise his stamina. 141-144 makes sense for both fighters as they are only 3 pounds apart in fighting weight and both will be fresh on fightnight barring Marquez tries some radical new way to bulk up and just gets fat.

 

And after PAC brutalizes JMM you'd be the first to say JMM's way past it. ****ing ***** :dead

 

We all know that on fight night, both guys will be approximately 148 and 145. That’s the normal weight that they come at. A weight that is their most effective. That much we can agree on, right?

But what you and I, it appears, are in dispute about, is how JMM gets to that 145 weight. He can either do this normally (like all of his 135 fights), or he can do it in a more effective way (putting muscle on gradually, or whatever). Whichever is the most proficient and easy method for him, JMM now has the full freedom to pursue it. There’s no 135/140 limit that he has to worry about before rehydrating back to his usual 145. He can now go straight to that 145 anyway he wants to. That’s the point I’m making. Both he and Pacquiao, being relatively the same size, have been given the opportunity to come to their fight night weights whichever way that suits them. And it’s in this circumstance – where there are no restrictions – that Pacquiao proves himself to be the better man/athlete/fighter (all things considered).

And the Floyd-Abraham and Pac-JMM comparison, doesn’t work either. The former are differentiated by 20+ pounds, whilst the latter are by a measly 3 pounds. It’s not like Pacquiao is taking JMM up to 160, where the more weight he puts on the more invincible he’s going to be. The catchweight has simply been restricted to and around their fight night weights, which are barely 3 pounds apart.

And honestly, I don’t really care what that water boy, Koncz, has to say on the matter. I prefer to pay attention to guys like Beristein, who hold the following opinion:

“What happened when he (Marquez) fought Floyd Mayweather Jr was that Mayweather had a big weight advantage. From what we’ve seen of Manny Pacquiao, he has never get above 150 pounds and that’s what matter. On the day of the fight, both of them will (dehydrate) evenly,"

 

The rules state that in a WW bout, neither contestant can come in over 147lbs. If both guys made their own agreement not to weigh in at 140 lbs., it could still be a WW bout and Pac's title could be on the line. Even if they couldn't come in at 140 lbs., you could make it for 140.5 lbs. or 141 lbs. From my understanding, Marquez wanted a 142 lb. catchweight. I'm not sure why Pac declined considering he's a LWW anyway according to you.

 

MARQUEZ IS 39. His tune up fight was a SHAM. He is way past his prime and has been in many wars. He is fighting 2 weight classes above his BEST WEIGHT. Paquao has every advantage possible coming into this fight.

No, it won't be close.

 

Gayweather was very tactical in that fight.


He was the counterpuncher while JMM was the initiator. Between two skilled counterpuncher, someone has to lead and in this fight JMM did that.

Shorter reach, slower, with not enough power at a weight he never fought once, (he actually did not have a fight in the next lower division of 140). If that is not glaring enough and *****s still put too tooo tooo much credit to that victory, you are all assholes.

 

Pac will knock Marquez out in a mismatch!!!

 

You would think that a PED user would have a higher ceiling.
Pacquiao I believe will use that ceiling vs Marquez because strenghth will actually benefit him against a fighter that has similar physical characteristics that he has.

I keep hearing the *******s say that all Marquez has to do is come in as he did vs Katsidis and walk into the ring at 145 lbs.

......thats likely what Marqeuz will have to do, but I'll note that Marquez has'nt been entering the ring as high as he did against Katsidis.
In at least one of his fights against Diaz, Marquez entered the ring at under 140 lbs.......and usually he has'nt weighed more than 1 or 2 lbs past 140 lbs.

My guess is that sensing a move up to 140 lbs and Pacquiao fight looming, Marquez geared himself to add extra muscle strenghth vs Katsidis, and thus why he entered the ring at 145 lbs.

145 lbs does not come natural to Marquez however, he has to bulk up for it, and more than likely he is'nt being aided by PED's as his counterpart Pacquiao is in this fight coming this November.

 

I think it will be close also. Somehow fights where the two fighters fought once or twice before at lower weights, they seem to duplicate their lower weight fights, even in this case where Pacman would seem to be able to outclass Marquez.. The experience of fighting a guy and the confidence and knowing him makes a difference.

 

Say you made a mistake and did'nt word it correctly???


I can understand where someone can say "overpower" Marquez, but outclass???

Do you want to take that back?

 

i think this is BS divac. if jmm sensed that pac is coming next, he should of fought khan when it was offered to him. he could have hit two birds in one stone. first be relevent in the 140 division after beating khan and second, could have prepared for pac's speed and power on the higher weight.

also, jmm was already 141 at fight night during his rematch against pac at 130. and jmm since then has fought at 135 pounds. it's not really unnatural for jmm to have at least bulked-up 4 pounds during that 3 years. you must face it divac, pacquiao-marquez would not be weighing more than the other come fight night.

 

Do you really believe all of that?

JMM was 141 when he fought Pacquiao the last time. He's had 4 fights since then at lightweight over the course of 3 years, and you don't think his progression towards 145 - that's only 4 pounds! - has been a normal, natural one?

 

Aside from that Katsidis fight, Marquez still enters the ring at roughly what he entered it when he was at 130 lbs.

For Marquez' 130 lbs fights, 141 lbs vs Pacquiao is the highest Marquez ever entered the ring......my guess is that Marquez had the hindsight of knowing that Pacquiao was entering the ring at well over 140 lbs in those rematches vs Morales, felt he needed a few more lbs himself to stay and be effective at close punching range vs Pacquiao.

Marquez entered the ring at 139 lbs vs MAB, but then felt the need to add a couple more lbs when he faced Pacquiao.
I'm pretty sure that 138-139 lbs was also what Marquez entered the ring as a lightweight in one of his fights with Juan Diaz.
I believe that right at or a pound or two under 140 lbs is where Marquez is currently more comfortable.



.....and btw, a Khan fight never made sense to Marquez.
Thats my opinion. Why fight Khan who because of style issues I consider a harder fight for Marquez than a Pac fight?

It does'nt make sense to fight a fighter who's taller, faster, younger, and longer in reach.....fight him for less money than he would make fighting Pac, who's a better stylistic matchup for Marquez.

I could have seen a Khan matchup for Marquez, but certainly not after exhausting every avenue to land an easier Pacquiao fight first.

 

As I told Puga, Marquez maxed himself out as far as weight is concerned for his rematch with Pacquiao, likely feeling he needed added strenghth to physically get Pacquiao's respect.
Marquez had never weighed that much for any of his 130 lbs fights.
Marquez took a clue from Pacquiao's fights with Morales and seeing that Pacquiao was entering the ring in the mid 140's.