Marquez vs Pacquiao III will be an Extremely close fight

You have got to look a little better than that. Mayweather didn't have to be three steps ahead. Mayweather was able to dominate Marquez not only because of his speed. Marquez doesn't initiate office well he needs to feed off the aggression when a fighter leaves himself open. Marquez has problems with the outside counter puncher's style as is very evident when he fought Chris John. He counters well with a fighter in range. Mayweather capitalized on this in his fight plan by using his weight, height and strength advantage over Marquez. He would hold Marquez when in range.

 

You have got to look a little better than that. Mayweather didn't have to be three steps ahead. Mayweather was able to dominate Marquez not only because of his speed. Marquez doesn't initiate office well he needs to feed off the aggression when a fighter leaves himself open. Marquez has problems with the outside counter puncher's style as is very evident when he fought Chris John. He counters well with a fighter in range. Mayweather capitalized on this in his fight plan by using his weight, height and strength advantage over Marquez. He would hold Marquez when in range.

 

When they fought at featherweight, Pacquiao was at 137 lbs Marquez at 136 lbs.
Marquez actually looked like the bigger frame.

In the rematch, Pac was at 145 lbs, Marquez at 141 lbs......

I expect for the 3rd fight, Pacquiao to be at 150 lbs, Marquez at 145 lbs.

If my guess for the 3rd fight is correct Pacquiao will have gained 13 lbs fightime weight since the 1st fight, Marquez would have gained 9 lbs.......

Though Pacquiao would have gained more lbs, guess who's body frame will look leaner????

Lean muscle weighs more than fat, which is why Pacquiao is carrying the weight better.

The weight gain of Marquez consist of both muscle and some fat.

Pacquiao's weight gain has been all lean muscle.
Guess which is more difficult to put on?

Since featherweight, Pacquiao has added over 10 lbs of lean muscle mass and has'nt loss much if at all in speed.
Can I say PED's????

Oh wait a minute, I forgot, I'm talking to a *******......disregard what I just said.

 

They can also do that with the help of a good nutritionist. Someone really disciplined with his weight can do it even without help.

 

Whats baffling to me is that people like you talk it as if this did'nt happen.......
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZr6MZDBPZI&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

First of all, although it's possible that Pac will weigh 150 on fight night, recent history with the Margarito fight suggests that he will not. After all, if there was ever a time for him to fight at 150, that would have been the fight. Second, it should be noted you said that gaining lean muscle is difficult but not impossible. Also should be noted that having a highly-paid strength and conditioning coach and nutritionist helps a lot in making that happen, and no PED's are necessary.

BTW, has Floyd lost much speed since moving up in weight from his LW days? Of course you can say "PED's", just like I can say you're a serial murderer who hasn't been caught yet. Neither is necessarily true.

 

It happened. But you'd still have to take a few leaps from that to conclude that he's a juicer.

 

So 10lbs of lean muscle is heavier than 10lbs of fat?:rofl:rofl:rofl

First things first, what kind of outrageous equipment did you use to be able to know that Pac's gain has been purely lean muscle mass?

Second, how dumb are you to quickly assume that it's difficult to gain 10lbs of lean mass in 7 f*cking years you moron?

Thirdly, how much more dumb are you to quickly assume that age, genetics and overall lifestyle doesn't play a role in how much and which muscle groups you improve?

Internet body builders are getting more stupid each day.
And you claim to be a PED expert.atsch

FFS there are REAL body builders in these forums so quit yapping about things you obviously are clueless about.

Here, do yourself a favor and at least start reading so you won't come off as stupid as you already are:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hickman52.htm

 

No, it won't be

JMM will struggle at the weight and Pac will walk to a UD or stop him

Then all the *******s will say "this proves that pac was always better than JMM"

Erm, no. You've cherry picked JMM like you do every opponent

He is a FMJ leftover, his best years are behind him and he's fighting at a weight not suited to him.

Typical Pacquiao opponent

 

Maybe. Who would you have picked for him to fight in November?

 

Someone tell me, how can Pacquiao go from a good fighter (good battles with Morales, Barrera and JMM) to knocking out the likes of Cotto and destroying Margarito???

This isn't a Rocky movie ok, this is real life. Something is not right

Floyd has been dominating the sport for the past 10 years, no-one knew who Pacquiao was 10 years ago

You don't go from punching Barrera, Morlaes and JMM and them taking your best shots to beating the crap out of Cotto, Margarito and Mosley who said "It's the hardest I've ever been hit

JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN

 

Weight would not have helped Pacquiao against a slow fighter that outweighed Pac by nearly 20 lbs.

Those few extra lbs that Pacquiao could have put on vs Margarito could only have served to slow him down just tad against a fighter thats going to be much stronger physically than him either way.

Against Marquez, I'm figuring that physical strenghth can actually help Pacquiao against Marquez.
Pacquiao may very well use those extra lbs not only to muscle Marquez, but to force his way up close to Marquez and be able to physically manuever Marquez through sheer strenghth.

One thing to note in both Marquez-Pacquiao fights is that when up close in range throwing punches, Pacquiao physically through body contact was not able to drive Marquez back.
Physical strenghth wise, they were both comparable.

If Pacquiao comes in at 150 lbs, which I think he might do, (I think this is the reason why Roach was insisting the fight be contracted at 147 lbs and not 140 lbs) he's going to have an added strenght advantage over Marquez that he did'nt hold in the first two fights.

......what has to be taken into account here is that Marquez will be pushing it walking into the ring at anything other that the 144 lbs contracted weight limit.
Lets not forget that Marquez for most every one of his lightweight fights but the Katsidis fight, was walking into the ring at about 140 lbs, I believe he was even at 138-139 lbs for one of the Juan Diaz fights.

Marquez will be pushing it past 144 lbs, while if Pacquiao comes in at 150 lbs which I have reason to believe he will, he's going to be right where he wants to be (imo with the aid of PED's)

Pacquiao is aided if he comes in heavier because even though he might lose a tad of speed, he will still be significantly faster than Marquez.

Will Pacquiao sacrifice just a tad of speed for a significant ammount of physical strenghth?????
Against Marquez, I say Hell yes!

 

Good question

Mayweather? p)

But in all seriousness I would have liked Martinez but it would have been another weight jump for Pacquiao

Maybe someone like Bundrage? Another division but not as good as Martinez and he could win that and pick up the IBF

Senchenko would have been nice but he's not a big enought name

There isn't really anyone at 147 who fits the bill, no big names and huge pay days for Pacquiao. Kell Brook would have been good, up and coming and at his peak right now

Saul Alvarez would have been awesome but no way would Alvarez take that fight

Thats all Pacquiao has, all the ones names are at their peak and would pose a real threat, however none are big enough names on his resume.

End of the day, pick one of the ones I've listed and then either retire or fight Floyd as there is no-one else out there.

 

Experience and good coaching. Not to mention, styles make fights. There's a video on YT that talks about how Pac looks best against fighters who fight going forward. That's Margarito 100%, and Cotto's two KD's in the fight happened while he was on the attack.

There might be a reasonable basis for the belief that Pac is on the juice. This isn't it.

 

100% agree on Martinez. Pac would most likely lose, but it would be a great fight and it wouldn't be a loss that would take anything away from his accomplishments, all things considered. I would buy that fight in a heartbeat.