Martial art classes are becoming a joke.

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  1. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Not all of them but how many Karate classes advertise self defence but then teach you a bunch of nonsense that doesn’t work. I mean when you see 8 years olds wearing black belts you know there’s something wrong. Martial arts used to mean something but now 80% of classes teach you nonsense.
     
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  3. RockyMarciano

    RockyMarciano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah the 8 year old stuff is stupid. I was in Karate from like 6-12.....at 12 I was gettin near black belt and they told me I had to be 16 to go for it...whatever lol. So I said to Hell with this and got into boxing...been doin that ever since.
     
  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz ellerbes daddy Full Member

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    If you want o protect yourself on the streets learn wrestling and some boxing.
     
  5. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on. Some hand work, wrestling and grappling subs destroys Karate kids.
    friend of mine use to go toTaekwondo classes and the instructor was some master 8th dan black belt.

    He came to one of the classes all bruised up. He said he got into a fight and the dude just rushed him with punches galore and admitted all the training he did was completely useless and offered no defence in a real fight.
     
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  6. MAD_PIGE0N

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    To be honest and with all the respect and disrespect, some martial arts are crap by nature, won't say names. Others degraded because of being adapted and therefore to some sport rules. I see a video above with Kyokushin - well, just because I practice Kyokushin for more than 14 years so far and I am about to be promoted to a black belt - this is a style that was great by nature, it originally includes some grappling techniques, knees, elbows, kick and punches, but now the first and the last is missing. While if you don't have grappling, you simply practice a striking art which is fine. But no punches to the face, well, that's inadequate, stupid, it cripples your senses, view of a fight, reactions, combinations, distance... You can see the Kyokushin fighters are like almost all of the time on a close distance, rarely a mid-one and never being on a long one and just punching each other's to the torso. Yes, bare knuckle punches makes you hard as no other martial art does, have nothing to do with gloves, I can tell you, but it's still idiotic and unrealistic. So whatever you teach in a Kyokushin class, it'll still be limited, inadequate. Ever since I started boxing I can no longer fight as a Kyokushin fighter, I lost all the interest, I feel stupid, I feel limited. Boxing however improved my fighting skills.

    So again - many martial arts classes are McDojos, but still depends, many people still develop fighting systems, some adapted for fighting, but still allowing you to do under some rules, others are completely for self-denfese and ones that will always be bull*hit. The problem is that a beginner will never or barely know any of those things and will get cheated to start some crap classes and even believe what they teach there. But I believe that in a very big part, the "natural selection" will minimize at least the existence of the ones not worth existing especially with people more interested in Thai Boxing, K-1, Boxing and MMA - this all leaves several styles proven to be effective and tough.
     
  7. f1ght3rz

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    Exactly. Taekwondo or Karate are based on point fighting and distance. It's for competing. Not for defending yourself. You'd do **** with it on the streets if a guy bumrushes you and tries to **** u up. Especially if there is a weight and size difference. And then you've got fraudulent things like Krav Maga or Wing Tsun and other BS which is all about making money for the instructors and not about helping people or women to defend themselves. It's all BS. You need to ****ing learn how to act in close range against people which is basically wrestling and some grappling and you learn how to secure a position to either **** the guy up on the ground or just hold position until the police arrives or whatever happens. Some boxing will help you to close distance or to land 1 or 2 shots on the feet. Of course this combination isn't 100% safe as some friends could help the guy and being on top on the ground might be a disastrous thing for you if somebody tries to kick you to the head but usually it's the best mixture of combat sports to defend yourself on the streets against thugs, drunken clowns or other people who want to cause harm.
     
  8. kirk

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    They've always have been.
     
  9. mirkofilipovic

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    Aikido is the best martial art. Steven SEAgle told me.
     
  10. drenlou

    drenlou Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Karate isnt that effective in the streets. You gotta really setup your kicks then by that time the guy youre fighting closed the distance and is in your grill. If you cant use your roundhouse kick youre most likely SOL
     
  11. Moggy94

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    Not all Karate is point based and distance but most of it is, I think the problem is that Karate schools want more kids to do it as most parents would rather their children do more points based martial arts than something like boxing which comes across as more barbaric.

    If anyone was to do Karate I would suggest Goju-Ryu Karate as it is easily the most practical, it's very MMA based with kicks, knees, punches, grappling and submissions, I believe there's a certain limit on the ground where it's 15 seconds. There's also a form of Kyokushin Karate which involves head strikes but good look finding them, mainstream Karate is very weak and been dumbed down from what it was originally.

    Here is some Goju-Ryu Karate footage:







    I believe this should be the main form of Karate but financially it seems that the people that run these Karate schools got other ideas and they are not for the better of the sport.
     
  12. Moggy94

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    Karate was much cooler in the 80's:



    If anyone was looking to get into Martial Arts for practicality I would suggest Amateur/Catch Wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Boxing, Sanshou, Lethwei, Goju-Ryu Karate or Judo.
     
  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh dear, dear, dear.
    Firstable, MAD_PIGE0N in what dojo you are training Kyokushin for 14 years ? And you still don't have black belt ?

    Pretty much most of Karate styles are 100% useful if you have more than 2 brain cells, and don't expect to become good after 3 months, just like most teen imbecile nowadays.

    And exactly on the contrary most MMA and Jiu Jitsu classes/gyms are full of horse .....

    Kyokushin is one of the best Martial Arts style out there. And pretty sure in like 99% of the dojos they are training head shots, defense against Head punches and so on.
    Every single Martial Art if is thought right, and the guy knows what he is doing in there, aka train with purpose will make you a tough son of a ****.
    Kyokushin fighters are the toughest son of a b**** on the planet. No other martial arts comes close to the hardcore conditioning in Kyokushin for the whole body. Even Muay Thai.

    And btw in most Kyokushin clubs, there is throwing, self defense technique, and so on. It's depend on the dojo of course, and it's not like in Jiu Jitsu to spend 99% of your team doing it, but it still have it.

    Also you have Kudo, which is pretty much hybrid Kyokushin + Judo.

    As far as what is best for the street, Krav Maga or some of the practical self-defense martial arts are best for it.
    No one really come close to it. This or Combat Sambo.
    And you have great dojos in Combat Sambo in Bulgaria. Same for Kyokushin, yet Boxing and MMA gyms here an absolutely joke. Same as Muay Thai gyms. Kickboxing is so so, as i have been training Kickboxing for quite some time in the past, and it's probably my main and spend most time training Martial Arts.
     
  14. MAD_PIGE0N

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    @lordlosh, like in whatever, I spent years uninterested in exams and there're many circumstances that can stop you from fast promotion which is the worst you can have. There're rules how many exams you can have per year until a certain grade, the higher ones are once per year and only on a summer camp, so imagine you can't go on - well, no promotion. Then I became a father, the corona crisis came... Later I realized trainers do not have a good eye on people training, but not aiming belts, so I started going on exams even that the belts have lost their sense way too long ago. By the time I decided to start taking exams, I've been training for 3 years already, otherwise I could've been aiming 2nd dan now. But are concerned about my skills?

    Whatever you're saying about head defense in Kyokushin is just wrong. I wish it was the way you think it is, but...

    Krav Maga is b*ll****, looks aggressive, but there's no proper conception of developing the striking techniques, the conditioning, not to mention it's not the best practice regardless of how it loks.

    Check the videos below - the man on is a shihan, like 6th dan already, yet has the technique for less than 1st:
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    . Otherwise, yes, Kyokushin gives a conditioning nothing else gives, I can never say any different.

    Kudo is great on paper, but the practice shows those are just Kyokushin fighters who stand in front of each other and are exchanging crosses due to the lack of proper boxing practice.

    Do you know that there're people in the federation I train who even stopped going to promotion exams? I've met green or brown belts people training for over 20 years and not giving a sh** for a belt. Some just never wanted to pay those money for, others don't see a point, yet work as security guards for the well-known Bulgarian mafia of "TIM".


    @Moggy94 Kyokushin that includes head punches is under the so-called Shinken Shobu rules, the gloves are special as well. You can find fights on YouTube.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    , i wasn't knocking on you, for not having a black belt.
    What belt you have is not equal to your skill, that is quite obvious, and doesn't need an explanation, it's a logical thing.
    A lot of the kids are pretty much gifted with belts. Also depends on the dojo. Some dojo are way tougher and have way sticker, let's said it rules and demands.
    As far as Kyokushin goes, for me it's one of the best. Especially if you combine it with something like Judo or Combat Sambo.
    Kudo is great not just on paper, but on everything. There is plenty of great fighter with great movements, great throwing skills, as well as great defense. I won't change your view, so i won't try, so let's just agree to disagree.

    I spend myself train a lot of years into Self Defense system(Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu to be correct) it was the only one in Sofia, probably in Bulgaria as well. It was pretty much, or let's said it very close to what Krav Maga looks, and it's 1000% the best for self-defense. I have been in Krav Maga seminar, so i know what i'm talking about.
    Again it depends on the gym/dojo you are in it, and the trainer obviously, but that is pretty much for every martial arts. And yeah i have seen/met Senpais that are way better in technique, and more importantly in explanation than Sensei and so for example.

    Now as far as Krav Maga, it becomes really popular, and there is a lot of fake idiots, and "trainers" that commercialize it, and nothing goods comes out.
    Krav Maga is very hard, and it's very physical. And yeah every single technique comes naturally and its the best tool for self defense.
    Still that doesn't mean with 3 months of training you are a GOD, like most kids are thinking nowadays. They train something for some months or a year and think they are invulnerable.

    Every single martial arts is useful and 100% will give you huge edge, especially if you know what you are doing, and why you doing it. Not just going in there, and not putting 100%.

    BTW i'm currently training myself, and trying to get in shape, and my goals are to get Black Belt in Combat Sambo and Kyokushin or Kudo(not much choice of Kudo here as you probably know, but plenty of Kyokushin).
    At my age(33) it's good to set up goals, it keep me motivated. Of course as i said belt ranks means something, but i have train Martial Arts my whole life, and are not doing it to get good at fighting or so. Just to try something different and achieve more.

    I'm on work currently and can't watch videos. So i can't comment on the mentioned guy. But i think i make my point.
    Have a nice day mate.
     
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