Martin Bakole vs George Foreman

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Martin Bakole vs George Foreman

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm trying to get someone who knows nothing about bears and even less about slow-fast speed both of which rank pretty high up on the ladder of things everyone should be knowledgeable about to see reason :facepalm:

    Bakole's body fat is much lower than a bear's but like a bear's it's functional body fat. You're acting like he's a big slow fat walking blob or a walrus

    Yes Big Joe was shot to bits. He's almost 40 and his slow-fast speed equilibrium is shot to bits

    Thanks for making my argument for me. Big Bang is a Kodiak bear too and if he can KO the iron-jawed 281lb Big Joe then both he and his fellow Kodiak Bakole can do the same to a 220lb leprechaun Foreman

    The Bakole 1.0 who lost to Hunter wasn't a Kodiak. He was a grizzly just like Foreman was. Bakole 2.0 weighs 280lbs +

    WTH?! Hunter's not a bear. The bear analogy only applies to Ursine fighters. Hunter is more like a 200lbs + mongoose :facepalm:

    Grizzly Foreman can only fight Kodiak Bakole one way - like a bear
     
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  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Claiming to be scared and actually being scared aren't necessarily the same thing.

    Realistically, any sane man entering the ring with murderous punching heavies has some degree of fear of what might happen if he gets caught just right with something massive.

    Beyond that, self-deprecating can be a way of showing respect informally - it shows you respect what your opponent is capable of.
     
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  3. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Foreman put his punches together well and was a very good body puncher.
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Grizzlies can fight, so can Kodiaks which are way bigger
     
  5. BoxingViewer

    BoxingViewer Active Member Full Member

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    Got to go with Big George here
     
  6. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ron Lyle versus Martin Bakole is a much better fight.

    Foreman's incredible mental and genetic aptitude for combat cannot be understated. Two years after his first bout won the golden medal in Mexico City, dropping the beloved Polish boxer Lucjan Trela (Pocket Dreadnought was the National Champion from '66 to '71), stopping Ion Alexe from Romania on a cut (six times national champion, consecutive from '67 to '71), knocking out Italy's Giorgio Bambini, and finally making a mess of the veteran Jonas Čepulis of Lithuania, who himself won all his Olympic bouts by TKO. To add on that, the nineteen years old George fought against older and more experienced fighters (in the final round he faced a ten years difference, facing a fully grown man) and two of them were southpaws.

    And Foreman is plain better fighter. Not necessarily all around as he was relatively late starter who retired early, but in the areas he was drilled at by Sadler, Saddler, and Moore, he excelled, and being Liston's sparring partner did not hurt either, especially in developing that jab. George was craft when it comes to manipulating distance, rhythm, and initiative. His grappling was superb, his jab one of the best ever, and his defense extremely frustrating on top of it being applied through the principles of ring generalship (taking away the jab, resetting unfavorable exchanges, denying combinations.)

    Chuvalo, Peralta, Lyle, Norton, and Frazier are infinitely sterner opposition than what Martin has faced. Anderson and Yoka might very well lose to the likes of Larry Middleton or Bob Stallings on their best night. Too many holes. The slickster in Hunter beat him both outside and inside, whilst pre-Moore Foreman took a laboured decision and later stopped his own defensive wizard in Gregorio Peralta.

    And yeah, Foreman hit like a truck.
    If you list all the injuries he's caused at various stages of his career, his K.O highlight reel becomes really fleshed out. Wepner's orbital bone burst from inside out, sticking out. Inside of Moorer's mouth burst open, needing thirty something stitches. Recollections of his power are almost universally terrifying.
     
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  7. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At certain stages of George's career, it's a very good fight tho.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Billy Nelson told us long and loud Bakole was the real deal

    I never doubted him

    I know a liar when I see one

    I never doubted my eyes

    I've been telling the people for a long time that Bakole is the real deal but the people refused to listen to me yet again

    Martin Bakole told you long ago too but they just wouldn't give him a chance to prove himself

    ''I will show you who is Martin Bakole'' -- Martin Bakole
     
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  9. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Most of Foreman's opponents are small cruiserweights by today's standards and probably wouldn't be campaigning at heavyweight today. So a modern heavyweight wouldn't have the chance to fight them.
     
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  10. Rollin

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    Without the need to possibly go fifteen rounds, and the discipline to look like greek gods, a lot of the men he fought would approach the weight much more palatable for the modern lard fanatics.

    Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte, Oleksandr Usyk, Micheal Hunter, Agit Kabayel are all more of an Ali slash Foreman heavyweights, not the so called superheavyweight format, but they were all to a lesser or greater degree succesful. Ruiz in particular is far shorter than advertised and if not for morbid obesity, could hang out with the bigger boys akin to Frazier, Tyson, or Tua. Conversly they would all weight a lot closer to what Foreman's opposition did were they forced to fight twelve much more often, and go fifteen for the belt.

    The likes of O'Halloran, Middleton, or Wepner that were not in Foreman's league (or even modern cruisers like Quarry, Bonavena, or Ellis) all boasted 6'5 at least. Skills pays the bill, and while without gifted genetics small can be in fact too small, there were less sizeable fighters whose chin and power baffled their 6 feet 6 counterparts. Historically, you ough to judge on merit, because the top will naturally include the most exceptional fighters, regardless of their size. On the same note size can be a disadvantage, because you are far bigger target, with inferior inside capabilities, that can be countered in bunches once an opening presents itself. Also typically slower, less agile, and so on.

    Granted, a lot of older fighters would be cruisers, since with the increase of general size, increases the chance of facing a good big men which would be taxing and less productive in a long run. Doesn't mean they would be incapable of moving up and making a statement once in a while.
     
  11. Foremanfan

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    Bakole is 6ft 4in max, he is shorter than Ngannou and look at his pic near Joshua and Fury!!! His height is super inflated indeed!!!
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Look guys, whether a grizzly or a Kodiak bear attacks us none of us are making it out alive so it makes no difference because we're going to end up brown bread regardless

    However, go ask a grizzly if they'd rather fight a fellow grizzly or a Kodiak and I can assure you they'll opt for their fellow grizzly every single time
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    Do you still feel the same way now? Is Bakole still the Kodiak bear?
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sure. A mortally wounded Kodiak who, despite hemorrhaging blood by the bucketful and being in a severely weakened and compromised state, still tried to defend its territory against a prime fully healthy rival Kodiak.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This guy knows his bears.
     
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