Martinez against the tops at 154: does he whip em all? If so, why is Ward higher p4p?

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  1. Saccowalace

    Saccowalace GOAT Full Member

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    martinez has relentlessly called out cotto over the years
     
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  2. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    1)disagree
    2)ur crazy

    PWill was still a solid opponent even though he moved up. He was also one who moved up since no one else wanted any part of him. As for your analogy--

    Marquez at 147 > PDub at 160> Dawson at 168
    :deal
     
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  3. Saccowalace

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    williams only became viewed as a overrated fighter after sergio rocked him, he was never the same since IMO. prior to martinez williams II paul was a very avoided fighter.
     
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  4. turbotime

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    Then let Martinez move down and get a fight with Cotto? Or Lara? Or whomever?

    I can't give him hypothtical victories just like I won't give Floyd a hypothetical W over Martinez at 160 to move him into the top 20 all-time list.
     
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Guess you missed the Quintana fight.
     
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  6. turbotime

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    yeah...wait...what?
     
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  7. Saccowalace

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    williams stock did not plummet nearly as bad after that then after sexy sergio put him to sleep
     
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  8. megavolt

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    I'd like to see him fight Lara, dunno if it'll happen since he's looking for marquee fights; I've been wanting him to fight Cotto since the Marg II win but Cotto seems very reluctant. Martinez tried the super friendly approach to try to get cotto to fight him :grouphug but I guess it didn't work


    we can also try the "what have you done lately" approach but imo that still favors Martinez because Ward hasn't done anything since December, and before that, May
     
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  9. jso416

    jso416 F U Nutthuggers!!! Full Member

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    The first fight or the second?
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Now that Cotto is a free agent he should go for it.
     
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  11. Saccowalace

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    dont think it had anything to do with that, I think he knows he'll get ko'd
     
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  12. turbotime

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    Not like Cotto to duck anyone.
     
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  13. megavolt

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    Yeah, the thread title is misleading but in my op I inferred that he's essentially "locked" in at 160 because of the range of "plausible" fights for him in particular since the Pavlik beatdown

    Same here, but what would be your opinion of Martinez (in comparison to Ward) should he win dominantly?
     
    megavolt, Jun 14, 2012
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  14. jso416

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    I think Ward bit off more then he can chew vs Bad Chad.. IF he beats Dawson and does it convincingly (which I doubt he will) then I would say he belongs above Serge.
     
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  15. turbotime

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    Well if Ward beats Dawson and Sergio beats Cotto they would be interchangeable really.
     
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