Martinez beats Golovkin easily

Martinez didn't have an easy time with Barker, Macklin, or Chavez Jr. Golovkin would be far from easy. Martinez has fantastic physical attributes, but he's a technical slop-fest at times, isn't terribly hard to catch, and can be hurt by lesser punchers than Golovkin.

I'd be more willing to bet fights against Cotto and Alvarez would be easy for him (I'd favor Martinez heavily in both).

 

At this stage in his career, Martinez would get all he could handle from Golovkin. Just a bad stylistic matchup for him.

 

Bet that drives you irate.

 

Martinez beats Golovkin definitely but not easy.

 

The thing about Martinez is its normally always balance that puts him down, because of the sheer awkwardness of his style he can sometimes be put down with glancing blows

Williams - Martinez I
Pavlik - Martinez
Martinez - Macklin

All 3 if those knockdowns were not caused by sergio being hurt but came from being hit in the right place and putting him off balance. His chin is rock solid

Gennady Golovkin on the other hand is interesting himself, He actually has better balance and keeps himself composed more than Martinez does but as a result seems more flat footed which is a double edged sword. He can seem quite slow but he can also turn his punches in better thus resulting in a harder punch.

This is why I want to see this fight next, I dont want any "Martinez got old" excuses I just see this as a great stylistic matchup just as Mathysse-Olusegun was. Personally watching the Proksa fight seeing how Golovkin got tagged by Proksa who is essentially a mini Martinez may prove that Sergio may be too much for GGG, however Golovkin was walking through Proksa's shots like they were nothing so that may lead others to believe GGG may walk Martinez down and knock him out as shown he can be hurt later on when he tires (Williams I and Chavez)

Martinez - Golovkin in a WBC/WBA unification

And dont start with the WBC wont allow it bollocks, thats just a publicity stunt until they prove so otherwise

 

nobody is in a hurry to face golovkin.

 

He's got a very impressive and accurate two-fisted attack. I've got doubts he turns out a hype job... Martinez should face him sooner rather than later if he comes out the clear #1 contender in the division between now and May.

 

Bet it's similar to having to watch JaVale McGee and the majority of the current crop of centers for you as a big Hakeem Olajuwon fan

Nah, I like Martinez. He's damn good and hopefully he'll get a big superfight against Mayweather, Cotto, or Alvarez in the future. I'm just real high on Golovkin after seeing just how incredibly hard he hits and how nice his inside combinations flow in person (as I was at the Proksa fight), so that may (or may not) get in the way of my objectivity. Time will tell.

 

It's not really the norm for me to a fan of a fighter like Martinez. He's a flawed fighter who's a bit of a guilty pleasure... In short, He's entertaining to me; one of the most fun-to-watch fighters at an elite level fighting today and always something to look forward to as it pertains to the present and immediate future. That's what he does for me, and I appreciate it. Yeah, he's not ATG and he's running extremely short on time but he's got a chance to gain entry into a few HOF museums depending on what he does in the next couple of years. This knee surgery ordeal doesn't look good, meniscus or not, especially for a fighter that relies heavily on his athletic gifts - entertainment factor, again - to be successful. Looks like he's chasing the Cottos, Canelos and Floyd and I can't blame him although I'd love to see him unify 160.

This is what did it:

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Interesting comment from Lampley in the 2nd.

 

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Terrific post. I'm going to re-watch the entire first Williams fight sometime in the next week, too.

For all of my critical comments recently, Martinez is somebody I always enjoy watching because you know you'll see action, heart, glimpses and stretches of vulnerability, brilliant athletic gifts on display, and nice technical skill (even if it's not applied in a textbook or fundamentally correct way). Incredible background story also. The odds were stacked against him getting to this level in a plethora of ways.

I'll genuinely miss him when he calls it a career, honestly. Like you, I'm worried about his movement and legs not being the same. Hopefully he can make a full recovery so he can get those big fights. If he beats Mayweather or Pacquiao (the latter fight will never happen ), he'd be a shoe-in for the HOF IMO. Adding Cotto or Alvarez and maybe even unifying MW in between would make him unquestionably one of the greatest of the last decade. I'll be rooting for him, so long as it's not GGG or Cotto he's facing :good

 

problem is Martinez age and ring wear. He is wearing out and I think the knockdown in the 12th round is evidence of age a little.

 

:nod

Stonehands wrote a really fantastic column on Martinez this past April titled 'Deposing Maravilla' which attempted to break down his style and defeating it. Would probably run out of characters by posting it all.


Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez is the middleweight king. Five other so-called champions sit on waiting room chairs in the offices of alphabet organizations —he sits on a throne. By defeating Kelly Pavlik, who defeated Jermain Taylor, who defeated Bernard Hopkins, who became king the moment he defeated the second-ranked Felix Trinidad, Martinez became the rightful successor to the alpha idol of his country, Carlos Monzon.

Martinez is a rare phenomenon, a fugitive from other sports. A natural athlete blessed with extraordinary coordination, speed, and stamina, he spent his teenage years cycling and playing soccer. Boxing was "like a religion" in the Martinez living room though its gods were small ones —images flashing to and fro on a television screen, cheered on by his father and uncles. Sergio preferred being outdoors. He was 20 when he began boxing and even then it was a means to another end: He wanted to get into shape for the soccer season. But there was something seductive in the staccato rhythm of speed bags and by the time he was offered a contract to play for Argentina's Club Atletico's Los Andes, a first division team, he turned it down. He had found a new love.

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"Good luck!" he routinely tells his opponents before the first bell.

It will take more than luck to end his reign.

HALF THE BATTLE

Martinez is an atypical counterpuncher with a mission statement: Provoke blows to provoke mistakes. "When we want to throw," he says, "that's when we are most exposed." When he leads with a single punch it is no different from when he flinches, feints with his feet, or drops his hands and leans forward. He'll slide in, jerk a shoulder and slide out to draw you out so he can counter (what you think is) your counter attack.

This bluff and blast strategy is general. He insists that "it can be done with all."

He was born three years after the death of the once-famous trainer Jack Hurley and his timing only serves to confuse the truth once again. The truth is Martinez is a Hurley fighter. "You can tell a Hurley fighter from the others as easily as an art expert can tell a Rembrandt from something by Harry Grunt," wrote W.C. Heinz in 1967, they "come out with that shuffle step, the hands low and in punching position, and they just invite you to lead so that can move off it, step in and knock your block off with the counter."

"The average counterpuncher is a guy who don't do a damn thing," Hurley said. "If you throw a punch he ducks it and he hits you quick." Hurley raised the counterpunching game from checkers to chess. Martinez adds his own nuances. Half the time he knows what shot will be thrown because it is precisely what he invited in the first place. The end result is that the shot misses by an inch and he lands a simultaneous counter, reducing his reaction-time to nearly zero. What commentators are hailing as incredible speed has as much to do with planning and timing. What looks like natural power is really a product of a collision between his fist and the incoming face —what Hurley identified as "the difference between a push punch and a shock punch."

And he has a secret that no one has figured out yet: He kills jabs. The jab is the evolutionary leap that separates boxers from flailing brutes and enables the former to routinely dominate the latter —literally single-handedly. Martinez invites the jab and then sneaks over a looping right with it. He uses two counters besides. In the second round against Matthew Macklin, he timed Macklin's jab, slipped outside of it, and countered with a straight left that sent him flying into the ropes. Later, Martinez slid to his left off of Macklin's jab and countered it with a left uppercut. He does this so well no one's sure he's doing it, least of all the one it's being done to. He does it again and again, against everybody, and yet they keep right on jabbing, faithfully, to the end.

Martinez's offense is not bait for his counters every time. He's liable to attack the moment he senses an opponent getting set to punch or when the opponent is not expecting it. This is not only disruptive it is disheartening. Like Manny Pacquiao, Joe Calzaghe, and other discordant rhythm fighters, Martinez understands the human tendency to follow predictable patterns (move, set, punch 1, 2 —repeat.) and he anticipates and exploits that predictability. His is a jazz style with riffs as disorienting to his opponents as Miles Davis was to Percy Faith.

The Maravilla strategy becomes clear. His is the comprehensive counterattack of an athlete. He doesn't simply "duck and counter," he's constantly provoking offense to his advantage and using mobility and discordant rhythm to confuse.

It's all quite complicated, but the Sweet Science has answers.

The rest: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/14465-deposing-maravilla