Martinez Chavez rematch

Sergio beats him cleaner in the rematch. Sergio was getting stronger and stronger every round, aside from the 12th round.

Anyone can get caught at anytime and Sergio got caught..part of the sport. Nothing more.

 

2nd fight? No chance. Only on Sergio's terms. He is the CHAMP.

Jr was never a real belt holder...

 

People are underestimating Sergio's intelligence. He struggled with PWill and then knocked him out clean in a rematch. He will once again find a big advantage over Chavez and beat him even worse the 2nd time around.

 

Now way.

The fight looked like Margarito vs Cotto 2 with Chavez chasing Sexy Sergio all around the ring and Sergio landing combos, jabs at will. Making Chavez look like the fraud that he is.

Same thing with Cotto vs Cementito.....looked like the bum that he is. Getting tagged all day/night and taxing da ass.

What these two have in common?

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I'll tell you...

They both got their heads stopmped!


Next: CANELO!

:deal

 

You keep saying IF JCC upped his workrate. Why do you think he didnt in this fight?

Martinez is far too fast for him, JCC got punished every time he tried to plod forward and let a few punches go. If he had have uppedc his workrate he would have got stopped. That is what put him in a shell,unable to exert pressure.

Hes a big, strong,tough guy (PED enhanced or not) That is all

 

If they rematch theirs no doubt that both would know what each other can do now in the ring. Martinez won't let what happen in that last round happen again and Jr knows he needs to get better after what happen. Either way Martinez still beats Jr.:bbb

 

Don't know if you realised, but he couldn't go to the body because he couldn't get close enough to Martinez to do it. Sergio's speed and footwork meant he couldn't. I don't see how that changes in a rematch. You can talk all you like about a guy upping his workrate, but if he can't get close to his opponent he can't do any work! Sergio, possibly being a small bit more cautious beats him even more convincingly if anything.

 

I watched the fight again and quite Frankly when you take away from all the build up and hype and look at it for what it is, Sergio stands much more of a chance of doing better than Julio does.

Julio Cesar Chavez was down on the score cards against Andy Lee and despite being hit constantly and outboxed in the fight prior to the stoppage showed us nothing new in the fight against Martinez. Everyone knew he would come in bigger (Around 180 mark), he plodded around getting hit in the face, he couldnt deal with any movement, he had no inside game whatso ever and was troubled by the style and speed of Martinez

Sergio Martinez on the other hand differs. Since being robbed in the fights against Williams and Cintron he has shown he can end a fight when he needs to and has adapted since, Destroying Williams in a return by exposing a weakness they discovered in the first fight (the overhand left). Same goes for this fight, they know how to fight him now.

Also that last round, Sergio wasnt out on his feet. He got caught and his knee buckled and Julio charged in with some punches believing Martinez to be hurt and a clash of heads came together at which point Martinez went to clinch and Chavez turned and threw Martinez down, Martinez got up with not much problem and was then thrown down again by a Chavez headlock at which point he did have trouble getting up as his leg didnt seem stable. Nether the less Martinez went onto trade punches with a much more active Chavez and you could argue he was winning the exchange up to the bell.

Sergio later revealed he was in hospital suffering from a broken left hand and a torn knee so whether these things had to play a factor in that final round is justifiable

In other words im not fussed on a rematch however I have no problem with Sergio getting a bigger cut of the cake this time and shutting some Chavez fans up however I would much rather him fight Gennady Golovkin in a unification match up and should Golovkin beat Geale in the mandated fight by the WBA first then there will be 3 major Middleweight titles on the line.

Im rather interested in Macklin Vs Chavez however seeing as Mathew Macklin controversially lost a decision to Sturm who managed to stop Zbik, the same Zbik that put up a hell of a fight against Chavez for the WBC title in the first place

 

Agreed :good,

Apart from the 12th round this was a one sided beatdown. Chavez could not up his work rate because Sergio has way better movement and constantly changed position. Chavez was never in position to let his hands go. Thats not gonna change.

 

This was what he NEEDED to do in the first fight, but failed to.

In all of Chavez fights he applies pressure without punches, he follows his opponent around the ring, gets his head down, muscles them against the ropes/into the corner, then loads up on body shots. This is how he fights.

He doesn't jab his way in, he doesn't throw in volume and I think because of his size /conditioning that it wouldn't even be possible to do so.

When he did get close enough to Martinez to land, Martinez still beat him on the inside, and before he could load up more than 3 or 4 shots (which were mostly caught on the elbows) Martinez would turn him, give him another angle (all the while landing punches) and continue to walk him round the ring and at times hurt him and back him up.

If Chavez manges to make some changes the fight will be COMPETITIVE. Not close, because this time around it was one-sided apart from 1 minute 30 seconds of the final round.

So yes, if Chaves makes wholeale changes to his game or maybe gets a new trainer there could be a difference, but last night, he fought how he has fought in each of his other 50 odd fights, and it wasn't enough, and only a radical change or decent amount of fortune will change that.

Chavez didn't do this and didn't do that because Martinez didn't allow him to, he would have to walk through a witerhing hale of punches against someone with greater reach and handspeed in order to do so, it isn't as simple as 'just upping his workrate'

 

It would look like the Martinez - Williams rematch; Chavez would get starched hard and early.

 

After a few fights Martinez will be nearly 40 man. There is a point at which Chavez would beat him due to age and wear & tear.

Chavez doesn't use his jab, and he doesn't have a high workrate. You're attributing these things to him that he can't/doesn't do

 

You sure do love Mex boxers, don't ya? :bbb:bart