Martinez getting a pass for this duck job on 3G.

illwill007 · Jan 14, 2014

janeschicken said: ↑

I agree with you totally. There is no other sport where the top athletes just selectively get to pick and choose their competition.

It's like Tiger Woods refusing to play in any of the major tournaments, but winning all the less competitive ones and telling everyone he's the greatest of all time.Yeah, that would go over well. atsch
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In golf the biggest risk is getting too much pu.ssy. Man I wish I chose Golf as a kid!

HoldMyBeer · Jan 14, 2014

boxing_master said: ↑

martinez ducked ggg plain and simple he use to tease chavez saying chavez ducked him when he was champion the fool is doing the same to ggg
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no such thing as 'ducking' a fighter who hasn't earnt a shot at the title
Martinez's injuries and golovkin being well off the MW radar until HBO picked him up have everything to do with it

Beatle · Jan 14, 2014

BoxingX said: ↑

DiBella and Martinez said they don't want to hear anything about Golovkin. He isn't saying fight Cotto as a tune up/come back and then take on his MW challenge, it's total ignore. That usually indicates DUCK.

It's a duck job.

And as per usual, as I posted in the original post, we have modern fans here posting about what money a fighter will make and caring about such more than the best fights being made.

None of this is real boxing. It's a joke.

Though, forgot I am in *****-ville here. *****'s don't enjoy real boxing.
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I agree with everything you're saying, and I feel sorry for you seeing that this forum is 95% idiots. Most boxing fans are actually fanboys who love watching their gay-looking idols (Floyd, Sergio, Wlad, Vitali) make millions of dollars by beating up homeless guys. Fanboys don't really care about watching competitive fights with the champion fighting the n.1 contender, e.g. Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse. They don't care about that sort of fight because it's not gay idol-worship.

Martinez will never fight Golovkin because Sergio is really just an Argentine version of Floyd. And anyone who says there's not enough money in a Martinez-Golovkin fight is lying through the skin of their teeth: all American boxing fans know both fighters, and add to that the Argentine fans and the fans in the former Soviet Union, and you'll have the most-watched fight of the year (since Floyd vs Khan will probably be a failure).

Beatle · Jan 14, 2014

HoldMyBeer said: ↑

no such thing as 'ducking' a fighter who hasn't earnt a shot at the title.
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Could you explain what Darren Barker did to "earn" a shot at Martinez's title?

Incontenible · Jan 14, 2014

BoxingX said: ↑

Right, because low risk/high reward and the desire to make money is hard to understand....

I suppose the rest of the post made no sense. Though, here's another fan acting like he's in the know because he's sympathetic to big payouts and is a boxing economist. Pathetic. Cotto is also not good for anyone's resume at this point, he's a fighter that's lost all of his major fights, is shopworn and is smaller than LMW's and especially MW's.

We didn't talk about this stuff 10 years ago.atsch
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So if you were Martinez you would fight GGG and not Cotto?

The guy has trained his ass off since he was 21, worked his way up to the pinnacle of the sport, and been ducked a lot himself on the way. Now he finally gets the chance to fight for some big money. Who are we to say he can't?

And by taking the Cotto route he might give himself a better shot at the p4p best boxer in the world.

Martinez - GGG should happen however, and I think it will if Martinez feels he isn't shopworn like the Murray fight suggested.

Quincy K · Jan 14, 2014

what if sergios plan is to fight cotto for one last payday and then retire?

is there anything wrong with a 38-year-old guy that is arguably a shell of his former self(knocked down three time in his last two fights as well as undergoing consecutive knee surgeries) cashing out?

maybe hes going to fight cotto now and then ggg at the end of the year

by the way, it was just two fights ago that martinez fought the then biggest threat in the mw division in chavez...who just beat the fuc-k out of the london born and bread andy lee...who is now fighting unranked contenders in the UK

flashy k.o · Jan 14, 2014

Martinez is a legit champ and I'm pretty sure he'll fight Genna, but first he has to make some good bucks from fights with Cotto and Canelo. :yep

iceman71 · Jan 14, 2014

BoxingX said: ↑

Martinez gets a pass for ducking because he's supposedly 'earned it'. You'd think we were talking about an ATG here, when in reality we're talking about an overachiever story who's sole elite win was Paul Williams.

Martinez came up through LMW, caught everyone's attention when he shutout and stopped Alex Bunema in 8. Looking very good as well - reflexes, slick, decent power and throws a lot of shots. He followed that up with a nonsense robbery against Kermit Cintron, where he KO'd Cintron in 8 and then subsequently somehow Cintron got counted out and that got reversed, then won the remaining rounds and it was a draw.

So we feel for that, bull**** on a guy coming up and working hard against a joker in Kermit Cintron.

Then we get the awesome Williams 1 fight that was a fair score for Williams, which Martinez followed up with KO of the year.

Martinez looking good, new champion on the block, let's see what's next -

You've got a MW match up now against returning Kelly Pavlik, competitive fight til a big cut, Martinez on the deck, Martinez finishes strong and shows grit, versatility and hardness vs. a bigger man difficult style for his own style.

Looking even better.

Then he does the MW round a bout against your Dziziruk, Macklin, Barker and so on. Good stuff, but MW a bit weak admittedly, but you're fighting who's there and being the champ. But also hitting the deck multiple times and looking vulnerable because you're just a GOOD fighter that's overachieved and that takes a mind of it's own, especially a guy who's been ignored and super motivated to make that $$$.

Then we move onto Chavez Jr, who did not even deserve a shot at the title. HBO wanted to turn Chavez Jr into boxing's next Mexican rock star but the clown is too undisciplined and spoiled to make the most out of it and is a PED freak at that. With a 30 pound weight advantage, Chavez Jr got his ass whipped for 11 rounds and scored a KD after Martinez injured his knee. Boxing fans are so ridiculously stupid compared to fans of the easier to analyze team sports that have stats that are more reflective and cut and dry that it's laughable. Many of them acted like Chavez was the superior for this late round KD, a man who couldn't even capitalize on it.

So anyway, resume looking like - Williams, Pavlik, Barker, Macklin, Dzinziruk and Chavez Jr is 1 elite win, 1 good win and 3 decent wins and 1 win over an over sized hype job. Consistency good, so that's extra points and note that I am critiquing as compared to ATG resume's, not just resume's of current, because fans are acting like Martinez is
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on a Senior Tour and has done enough to fight some retirement money scrub affairs and doesn't need to any longer fight the best in his weight realm and has earned the right to duck.

NOW -

Ducking the first elite level threat of your MW reign. Martinez is listed as old.... but the man's only been at the championship level since late 2009 and mid 30s was his prime, as everyone's prime is different. Sure, you have injuries, but he's taken time off and really is interested in still fighting for that money, so he's good to me.

You have held the lineal title since 2010 and you advertise yourself as the real deal, your fans advertise you as the real deal. The underrated overachieving champ that fights everybody, too old to be champ in 2008 as a prospective champ.... but you make it.... you hold the lineal title now for almost 4 years.

You're holding Bernard Hopkins' lineal title that he broke the defense record with.... which Bernard gladly fought the highly touted heir to his throne at age 40. Yes. Well, legends are such for a reason...

And you won't fight the first legit threat to your reign, the heir the throne.

To hell with that and those who defend it so Martinez can fight a shot to bits Welterweight that wouldn't stand a chance against any top fighter @154 or 160.

Real fans watch boxing to see the best gladiators vs. the best gladiators. Silly modern fake fans watch it seemingly to see their favorite gladiator celebrities make the most money they can in non-sense, may as well be scripted affairs instead of the greatest spectacle on earth - which is an elite championship boxing match.

That is all,

-Real Boxing Fans.
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Saccowalace · Jan 14, 2014

eltirado said: ↑

its in the PEDs they get from meat in their cows, makes them exceptionally brave & good looking
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Saccowalace · Jan 14, 2014

Quincy K said: ↑

at 38 sergios main objective is to make as much money as possible, in the shortest time frame as possible with the least amount of risk as possible

and if you were in sergios broken down body you would do exactly the same.

its not like martinez is running around saying that hes p4p or one of the greatest mw's ever
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This :deal

Tigre Relampago · Jan 14, 2014

No one should duck, if you're the champion you HAVE to defend your title even if they're strong and younger people.

Zaragoza didnt ducked Morales when he was old and Morales was 21.

Julio Cesar Chavez didnt ducked De la Hoya even though DLH was in his prime and Chavez was out of it.

Saccowalace · Jan 14, 2014

Tigre Relampago said: ↑

No one should duck, if you're the champion you HAVE to defend your title even if they're strong and younger people.

Zaragoza didnt ducked Morales when he was old and Morales was 21.

Julio Cesar Chavez didnt ducked De la Hoya even though DLH was in his prime and Chavez was out of it.
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they both weren't coming off multiple surgeries and not allowed to have a tune up by unreasonable fans atsch

BoxingX · Jan 14, 2014

Incontenible said: ↑

So if you were Martinez you would fight GGG and not Cotto?

The guy has trained his ass off since he was 21, worked his way up to the pinnacle of the sport, and been ducked a lot himself on the way. Now he finally gets the chance to fight for some big money. Who are we to say he can't?

And by taking the Cotto route he might give himself a better shot at the p4p best boxer in the world.

Martinez - GGG should happen however, and I think it will if Martinez feels he isn't shopworn like the Murray fight suggested.
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I wouldn't fight Cotto if I were Martinez. I'd take a tune up, see where I was at and if good I'd fight GGG. Wouldn't hold the belt hostage. The Cotto fight is simply ridiculous and a culture of sport that thinks it's okay for the #1 MW to fight a barely top 5 Welterweight/JMW that's lost every big fight he's faced and is close to done is absurd. It's not like he's taking another good JMW or MW star that's relevant and an actual challenge instead of GGG for more money, he's doing a Mayweather inspired freak show. So to hell with that.

Martinez defeating GGG would have the sport so high on him that his demanding rights in future fights would be increased because it would re-legitimize his current status as MW champ and P4P fighter. That's what I would go for and if I couldn't do it I would vacate the belt.

GGG has trained his ass off his entire life also, is currently being ducked. So if GGG wins the title and gets a few decent Ws like Martinez(which his resume is not that big of a deal, his over achiever rise relates more to the common person and hands down boxer style the common fan)he's going to be forgiven to duck big challenges? No, he won't. Certain guys are celebrated far too much.

And what kind of fan are you to care about what these guys make? Martinez is already a millionaire, more money lining his pocket does nothing for me, I want to see the next great MW and I believe he's in waiting and IS the guy the we're talking about that's being ducked.

Last - Shot at the p4p best? How can you be the p4p best when you don't fight the best? Just like how can Martinez be considered the best MW coming off a **** performance against Murray and planning to do the circus freak show with Cotto and possibly Mayweather. Real champs don't try to cash themselves out like this.

This era sucks, the fans suck even more. You included.

Now tell me what I don't know or understand again because I'm not interested in low risk/high reward and the damage it's done, all the way to all of your mindsets that defend it?

:scaredas:

BoxingX · Jan 14, 2014

Sucks for us real boxing fans that the lineal MW title is in the hands of a primadonna. It's the 2nd longest lineal title without a break if I'm not mistaken, with Flyweight the longest going back to the 70s.

And instead of getting an old fashioned championship showdown, we'll get primadonna freak shows that fans that enjoy talking numbers instead of fights will buy.

iceman71 · Jan 14, 2014

Tigre Relampago said: ↑

No one should duck, if you're the champion you HAVE to defend your title even if they're strong and younger people.

Zaragoza didnt ducked Morales when he was old and Morales was 21.

Julio Cesar Chavez didnt ducked De la Hoya even though DLH was in his prime and Chavez was out of it.
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new age fans are so used to not seeing good fights it doesnt bother them that it doesnt happen. they like to excuse good fights that dont happen by saying "different promoters, boxing is a business, need to build it up, theres no rush ect"
its sickening
thats why boxing is a blip on the news these days.... (no one cares)

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