Martinez really deserves criticism for this Cotto fight.

Maidana at least won his last 4 fights in very convincing fashion (KO/KDs) and has a belt. Why is the already over talked about FMJ bout creeping its way into this thread anyhow?

Cotto is a tune up/health check. It was either him or Rubio. Do some people seriously think he should have fought Rubio instead? Heck I will bet most people complaining about the Cotto-Martinez fight are going "who the heck is Rubio" right now.

 

He didn't beat Murray convincingly dude......

 

This would be damning if it were true

 

Sure, Marquez was still in his prime. But Floyd fought Marquez 2 weight class above his. Not to mention, Marquez was also cheated on the scale.

 

Fighter A beating Fighter B doesn't mean that Fighter B will always be behind Fighter A.

Maidana lost to both Khan and Alexander but has gone on to amass a better recent resume and form than both of them since.

Pick your battles, Hans. This is a losing one.

Since Maidana lost to Alexander...

Alexander- W Randall Bailey, W Lee Purdy, L Shawn Porter

Maidana- W Jesus Soto Karass, W Angel Martinez, W Josesito Lopez, W Adrien Broner

Not debatable.

Otherwise you'd rank Porter ahead of Alexander and Maidana on virtue of his win over Alexander despite not factoring in anything else in their careers, recent or distant.

So then your rankings beyond the consensus top 4 goes 5. Porter, 6. Alexander, 7. Maidana? That's just utter ******.

 

How was he cheated on the scale? He wasn't...

Days before the weigh in, Marquez signed a contract that upped the weight maximum to 147. He didn't have to, but he did.

Gabriel Rosado did a similar thing. He signed a contract to up the weight maximum against Golovkin from the previously agreed 158 pounds to the 160 pound MW limit. Regardless of who demanded it. He signed a contract... Did Golovkin "cheat him on the scales?" Absolutely not.

 

Let's look at Floyd's "noteworthy" wins.

1) Diego "padded record" corrales - a bum who never beat a notable fighter and got showed up by Castillo clottey and casamayor. Paper champion. Did not beat an elite fighter EVER. The fact that he was rated above Floyd, Hopkins, Lennox, Roy Jones in 2001 proves that he is extremely overrated and for this reason people perceive Floyd's victory as noteworthy when it is not. And I don't care if Lennox lost in 2001 he was still better than Corrales could hope to be.

2) Arturo "punching bag" gatti - before rios was the punching bag u had gatti who was an exciting boxer but nothing more than a walking punching bag and never beat anyone. Micky Ward was never an elite fighter, just an exciting punching bag. Ward does not count as a notable win aside from the excitement value of the fight.

3) Jose L Castillo - a guy who was never an elite fighter and still managed to beat floyd bumweather in the first fight but got robbed by the judges. Showed up Floyd and exposed him as a fighter who is only good at fighting his own fight and why he'd get crushed by Guys like Duran Armstrong Leonard hearns Langford Walker Smith Pernell and more. No excuses about Floyd's shoulder can be used. Holyfield fought a good fight vs Moorer with a hurt shoulder and roy jones beat bernard hopkins EASY with a broken right hand. If Floyd wants to hold a candle to those guys the my shoulder hurts excuse can't be used. Yes floyd did win the second fight, but the fact remains he got showed up by a good but not great fighter in Castillo. Castillo is certainly not an all time great and beating him does not propel you into the all time great ranks. Losing to this guy definitely hurts your stock.

4) Zab undisputed paper champion Judah - not a true undisputed champion. Got crushed by guys like Cory spinks and kosta tzyu. Even lost to Baldomir. Avenging a loss against Spinks is not notable because there should not have been a need to avenge it in the first place. Funny thing is even a joke like Judah was dominatin the first 4 rounds (knocking down Floyd) before he ran out of gas.

5) Carlos "Basura" Maldomir - no notable wins or skill. Zab Judah is not a notable win. Gatti is a punching bag and nothing more. Baldomir had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Judah/Gatti and that was it. Paper champion like the vast majority of Floyd's title fight opponents.

6) Ricky fatten hatton - like his overrated countryman calzaghe (who was gifted a W vs hopkins) he fought against no names his whole career and had a padded record. Malignaggi does not count as a good win. No technique no chin for hatton and a meaningless W like almost all of Floyd's wins. The fact that he was rated high on the p4p list only shows how sheep are quick to follow the herd when they have no knowledge of boxing. Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill.

7) Oscar de la fishnet - another overrated fighter who was gifted wins over sturm and Whitaker, and almost every time he fought an elite fighter got crushed - look at what happens EVERY TIME he fights top level guys. Mosley (lost twice, tough decision in fight 2) Hopkins (KO) pacquiao (TKO) Whitaker (robbery) Trinidad (3 rounds of running - not something a true champion would do) Sturm (robbery). Oscar must have had Sven Ottke as his mentor with the number of gifted decisions he got. Padded record like Floyd making a career of beating bums like Vargas Chavez Camacho and Ricardo "one hit wonder" Mayorga. Yes Chavez is a bum he made a career of fighting cab drivers (as did Camacho) and was lucky to survive Meldrick Taylor. And Oscar actually gave the "great" Floyd may weather problems and a competitive first 8 rounds before gassing like Zab SuperWack Judah. Pathetic. Oscar has the fake clean cut image and the money but thats about it since his boxing alone could not make him a star. Extremely overrated and not a notable win for a supposedly all time great.

8. Marquez - this everyone has to admit was a masterful performance by mayweather. Amazing defense reflexes and accurate counterpunching. Marquez never did anything the whole fight and couldnt get on the inside. Amazing technical brilliance by mayweather. But Marquez is the only legit prime fighter on Floyd's resume. Plus - outside of Marco Antonio Basura and Manny Wackquiao - who has marquez beaten? Undersized and tailor made for Floyd like rios for pacquiao. Marquez is a great win and a good fighter but lets not blow this win out of proportion. Beating Marquez alone does not put you in the all time ranks. Even Tim Bradley Freddie Norwood and Chris John beat Marquez. Marquez nunca seria con los mejores en boxeo y nunca podria ser. I advise every non-Spanish speaking person reading this flawless masterpiece to learn Spanish since they will be missing out on wisdom of the highest degree.

9) Shane Mosley - Floyd likes to criticize other fighters for fighting leftovers when 90% of his fights are leftovers. Mosley was Vernon Forrest and winky wright leftovers by the time he got to floyd. Old gassed and not as explosive or fast as in his prime. Despite that he nearly knocked out Floyd and crushed his supposedly Whitaker-like defense in the first 2 rounds before - again - gassing like all of floyds past prime opponents. Mosley did beat Margacheato and Mayorga prior to smashing Floyd's face in during the second round, but it is evident from Mosley's lack of activity in the next 10 rounds that he wasn't the same Shane that whipped Overrated De la Fishnet.

10) Miguel cotto - great fighter. Unfortunately he was margacheato and pacquaios punching bag before he got to Floyd. Despite being past his prime he showed up Floyd for 4 rounds and who knows how a prime cotto would have done. The "impregnable" defense of mayweather didn't seem so unstoppable when Floyd's face was cut up like the deer I killed a few weeks ago. Again, Floyd's hypocrisy is exposed as he criticizes other fighters for fighting leftovers.

11) Victoria Ortiz - never should have been in the ring to begin with. got crushed by maidana and beat another overrated guy in berto. After he headbutts Floyd and gets what he deserves with a knockout - yes what Floyd did is justifiable 100% since it was legal and Ortiz fought dirty in the first place - we again saw the fake paper champion and how weak he is when he quit against Lopez. Ortiz was basically a tune up fight like Bowe vs Ferguson it means literally nothing.

12) Robert Guerrero - like Ortiz. Beat a bum in berto and lost to guys like salido while also lying to a ringside doctor in his fight vs Yordan about the seriousness of his cut so he could get away with a no contest. The nickname of Ghost suits him since he disappears against guys he can't fight (Salido, Yordan) No notable wins. Padded record just like floyd and his competition. Like Ortiz, this win is worthless. Apparently, beating Berto is enough to get you a fight against a supposedly "all time great" fighter.

13) Canelo "basura" Alvarez - Canelo no sabe cómo pelear el solamente ganó contra bums como trout Maldomir y un Mosley viejo. No se porque los Mexicanos estaban pensando que canelo tenia una opportunidad ser "el one". Canelo no sabia que estaba haciendo en el ring y nunca vencio a un gran campeon (Mosley era viejo al tiempo que el perdio). In summary Canelo is a bum and another meaningless W. Barely beating Austin Trout who got exposed in the fight after does not make you a notable opponent. Again, if you dont know how to speak Spanish then learn it because you are missing out on some flawless wisdom of the highest degree.

Now look at Floyd's next opponent.

1) Maidana - good fighter. Not at an elite level though and a win over him will not put Floyd among the greats. Has been easily outboxed by technical guys before.

Remember - saying those past and future opponents have belts doesn't mean anything. John Ruiz was a champion but not exactly an elite fighter. Also saying stuff like oh Ricky Hatton/Corrales etc was rated such and such on the p4p list at the time doesn't prove anything. At one point overrated Oscar was the number 1 p4p ahead of guys like Roy Jones and Holyfield while other fighters like Hamed + Tapia were ahead of Lennox Lewis. Now that Golden Boy is in charge of Ring Magazine the p4p rankings show extreme bias towards certain fighters. (putting Canelo in the top 10 p4p and listing him as the lineal 154 champ before Floyd beat him). Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill. Copy pasting rankings/records/statistics proves nothing if you don't put them in context. Doing so will not make paper champions (Hatton/Corrales/Ortiz/Judah) appear more legitimate.

Also remember - records don't mean everything - Brian Nielsen 64-3, rocky Marciano 49-0 joe calzaghe 45-1 (the Hopkins win was a robbery), Ricky hatton 45-3 better records statistically compared to guys like evander 44-10-2, Ali 56-5, roy jones 57-8, b hopkins 54-6-2 even though they couldn't hold a candle to these fighters. Floyds 45-0 (actual 44-1 because of Castillo) is a padded record and does not legitimize him as an all time great

 

So I suppose when Senchenko held the exact same title, which he purchased, that made him a top 5 welterweight? Get real.

 

Floyd was offered $8mil to fight Margarito but instead fought Carlos
Baldomir for far less

that right there is a flat out lie.
he made over 8m for baldi, for the real title and did NOT have to give TR options on his next 4 fights.
MORON you are, why do clowns flst out lie when they (YOU) have no clue wtf they are talking about.

this wasnt that long after floyd had to BUY himself out of TR. so you want him to take a little lesa to fight marg,
get NO title and be locked in with TR for a few more years. STFU you idiot.

and HOW has paq been waiting ? turned down 3 THREE opportunities you clown.

 

OK so if he's above Alexander then which of these guys those he rank above as a top 5- Mayweather, Bradley, Marquez, Pacquiao and Porter? :think

Because if you say Porter please tell me how a win over Broner is greater than a win over Alexander

 

this I KNOW NOTHING kid is a phukin moron clueless flat out hater.
why do you hate EVERY fighter ? you couldnt make it so you hate on people who made it ?

just STFU

 

Entirety of their WW career, with an emphasis on the recent.

The only relevant fights Porter has had his whole career other than Alexander have been close but clear decisions over faded Alfonso Gomez and faded Julio Diaz. In addition to a Draw, which was a bad performance and could have been a defeat, to Julio Diaz.

Jesus Soto Karass is a greater win then any three WW fights on Porter's resume combined, spare for Alexander.

 

Not one of you guys would turn down the Cotto fight if you were in Martinez's shoes. This will be a good fight and it will net Martinez a good deal of money. Martinez has had a good run.

 

Blame a guy for wanting to make money? Shame on him.

 

OK so if we are only going of what happened recently. Then I suppose if Bradley beats Pacquiao, he ranks above Mayweather when he beats Maidana.

Becauseeven if we go back as far as 2011 (and if we do we have to include Alexander's utter schooling of Maidana) 2x wins over Pacquiao, Marquez and Provodnikov are better than Ortiz, Guerrero and Maidana.

If not, then please don't try to claim Maidana is a top 5 welterweight to push your ***** agenda.