Marvelous Marvin Hagler speaks out about the Sugar Ray Leonard fight ~ Listen In

Agree in that sense.

The 9th was the most convincing round of the fight but as a rule I found it easier to give the rounds to Leonard.

1 thing about the champ ghetting the benefit of the doubt. It should eb judged in terms of who fought the best BUT in a close fight where there is a lot of debate about rounds then it seems harsh to move the title.

 

Your watching a different fight mate, its with the sound down that you can see SRL lands way more punches, shows better defence (which I suppose go hand in hand) & much better ring generalship.
The only clear rds I gave to Hagler were 5, 7 & 8.... Leonard has an extremely strong case for winning the rest of those rds because he was landing more punches, out-maneuvering Marvin & fighting toe to toe when forced to - oh yes, toe to toe, running my ass, what a pile of mythical bull****.

Leonard W12 Hagler (7-5)

THE END !

 

I wasn't talking about what he said of the decision, but of Leonard "running like a little girl" and "manipulating" him into accepting 12 rds as a limit.

On a whole I find that tasteless and a bit pathetic.

A rematch was in order, for sure. Was Hagler trying to get one, though? He retired, didn't he?

 

The parts Ive highlighted make me think you have no sense or judgement.

 

Anytime Ive seen a poll done its usually SRL that comes out on top, thats probably because he won the ****in fight fair & square.... end of !

 

i'd like to go along with you but the fact is, Ray didnt do enough to earn all the early rounds 1 and 3. I gave him 2 and 4 but rounds 1 and 3 were no better than Even. I didnt give it to Ray. I could have but I could have given it to Hagler. Neither would be fair.

the only other rounds I gave to ray were 6, 12 for a total of four rounds. Round seven was even as well and no I didnt give Ray the round for punching after the bell to make it look as tho he tipped the round in his favor. That would be cheating

round 8 went to Hagler as soon as he started using his right jab. Round five when he had the little pansy stumbling backwards from a panny ante right hand. Round nine went to Hagler as well as rounds 10, 11. I dont know why people say Leonard won rounds 10,11 when it's clear he lost both rounds.

Leonard was sharper, faster, and more impressive but even a slow motion Hagler could never lose to someone like Leonard without the help of the judges

 

Open you eyes, Bill.

Hagler was in good spirits, laughing and joking. Sure, he's upset by the decision. Who wouldn't be? The judges gave his title to Leonard in a fight he clearly won. Hagler knows, as do the rest of us, that he has never gotten the credit he deserves. There is nothing wrong with him saying so. That's not bitter. That's telling it like it is.

Antuofermo stepped on the gas in round eight and fought furiously over the remainder of the fight. He took the fight to Hagler in the second half. Leonard did not. Leonard survived. Let's be honest about that, okay?

Seriously, Bill, if you watch both those fights and you actually believe Hagler-Leonard was closer, then your judgment is in question, not mine.

 

Monzon may very well be a psycho. But there's a truthful reality to that. Hagler is no where near being a little girl. Anyone who calls someone a warrior while stating that they're a little girl for complaining about a decision they feel that got jobbed on is really doing a disservice for themselves. Just out of curoisity, are you or did you once play sports? If you geniunely believe you get ripped off it's a tough thing to swallow especially when you're a warrior that puts that much in. Considering all of Hagler's concessions along with the no rematch by SRL I think he has more than enough justification for calling SRL a little girl. You on the other hand have no validated in doing so and only look like the little girl. :good

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So you think Hagler was lieing in the interview about trying to get a rematch with SRL?

 

What a load of nonsense. Showing such a lack of respect for an opponent in public isn't in any way justified by being "a warrior in the ring".

And say what you want, I maintain that speaking like that about Leonard (or any former opponent) and blaming him for a decision he himself made is a loooong way short of impressive.

If Leonard had said something as deragatory about Hagler in a radio broadcast you'd be frothing at the mouth.

Wasn't listening that far. But, yes, I can see him overstating that. But I can also easily picture Leonard not at all being interested in a rematch to be honest.

 

In spite of myself, never over the years have I been able to reach a different conclusion regarding this fight: Leonard won in a stinker.

a) Leonard, smaller, weaker, rustier, a large underdog, adhered to one of his cardinal laws: stick to your game plan. He did: he executed his legitimate round-stealing strategy much better than Hagler did his of, ostensibly, cleaning Leonard's clock via irresistible pressure.

b) From memory, I'm pretty confident Leonard landed more punches, a key element in scoring, even when retreating, because:

c) Hagler pressed and pressed, but simply couldn't and didn't get off nearly enough. Two solid blows landed will never outweigh seven or eight perhaps lighter, but accurate, shots from your opponent, regardless of how many past accolades you can boast of. Hagler seemed to age from the first to the final bell.

d) In fact, toward the end, as an upset seemed probable, Leonard seemed to increase while Hagler decreased into a despairing, totally bamboozled old warrior.

Leonard won, but justice held her nose. Per his typical MO, Ray played within a set of given rules, teasing, spoiling, sometimes plain fighting, albeit always bravely, and simply shocked Marvelous by a couple of whiskers.

It will always remain a stinker for the ages, because a great, macho champion such as Hagler was dethroned with a whimper, not a bang.

 

Agreed.

The huge fact to consider tho is the fact that an old Hagler took on pedigreed youth in his last 3 fights; Hearns/Mugabi/Leonard. It's asking an awful lot to have any old middleweight champ fight those 3 guys and to go 3-0. Stumble just a little bit and a loss is coming.

We sure don't see guys signing contracts for that level of opposition & it's one of the things hurting the sport--far too much cherry picking.

 

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I think Leonard gave Hagler a closer fight in regards to the scoring, where Vito gave Hagler a tougher fight.

 

dURAN IS A bEAST.

 

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