Marvelous Marvin Hagler speaks out about the Sugar Ray Leonard fight ~ Listen In

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont know but I wouldnt be surprised. leonard would say anything to cover his tracks. There has never been a fighter who held such low standards for himself
     
  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I'd be interested to see/ read that interview because I have no recollection of Leonard saying this....
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. Leonard said that in our interview "On the Ropes".

    He told us to something to the effect that Marvin forgets, he moved to Milan. You need to call Marvin back and remind him of the facts.

    I believe he also claimed he was in Milan trying to work out a rematch, but I don't remember exactly what was said.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    He said it.

    CLICK HERE

    The show kicks right off with the Leonard interview which lasted about 20-25 minutes or so.

    :good
     
  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Interesting interview but all that Leonard said when asked about Haglers claim that he stuck around for a year waiting for a rematch was that Hagler had gone to Milan. He didn't say it was any sort of deal breaker or obstacle for a rematch being made.

    He was asked a question about Haglers statement regarding when he moved to Italy and answered it.

    To be honest from what I remember at the time the main problem was the Leonard wanted to twist the knife into Hagler and have him ask for a rematch. Hagler refused to do this out of pride and went off to make action films in Italy.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    I never said he did, but he most certainly insinuated that it was him, and not Hagler, who wanted the rematch.
     
  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    The claim was made in this thread over the last 10 posts that Leonard said he wouldn't/ couldn't rematch Hagler because Hagler had moved to Italy and you said that interview backed the claim up....it doesn't.

    Leonard did claim he wanted the rematch in that interview, I've no idea whether thats true or not but thats a totally different question than whether he used Haglers move to Italy as the excuse for it not happening.
     
  8. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shut up you ****in ******. And for your information ***** the last poll we had on this fight, a majority of people 44 people had Hagler winning, 38 had Ray Leonard winning, and 7 had a draw. People are starting to wake up.
     
  9. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    As long as people talk about boxing, they will be arguing about this fight.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    For the wrong reasons, as well.
     
  11. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn't Duran live in Panama? When Leonard was scrambling to get Duran to give him a rematch (and as soon as possible so Duran would be out of shape and ill prepared) I don't recall any argument that supposed that because these two men lived in different countries that there would be a problem with a rematch. I guess I need to listen to that interview and hear Leonard in context. It really sounds like a ridiculous argument!
     
  12. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doesn't Richard Steele, who intially though Leonard won, say that every time he watches the fight it gets closer? More and more people will come around to the reality that Hagler won and we won't be arguing about who won but rather how terrible it was Hagler was robbed. In other word, a large majority will come to understand Hagler's point of view. Those of us who aren't blinded by fandom have always known what happened.
     
  13. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    leonard won more on flash than actual substance. His flurries captivated the judges but it was hagler that landed the more effective punches. Also, if you take a good look at the fight you will see that leonard didn't land nearly as many punches as people think because many were blocked.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great interview. Leonard is really frank. He admits:

    1. That Hearns really won the rematch
    2. That he insisted on 12 rounds against Hagler because he thought it favoured his chances
    3. That he came back because he thought that Hagler looked vulnerable against Mugabe

    Does this honesty makes his claims that he fought Duran's fight in Montreal (due to Duran getting inside his head) and that he wanted a rematch with Hagler more credible, you think?
     
  15. Jaws

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    The talk of the "the champion should retain his title in a close fight" is BS. I've always viewed it, as well as many others, that the second both men step into the ring, the title is no longer in either one's possession until the fight is over.

    It was a close fight, and while Leonard may not have hurt Hagler much, Hagler sure didn't hurt Leonard either! That's what I don't get about the people who complain about this fight....neither man found much success.

    After Antuofermo, Hagler vowed to never leave a fight up to the judges again. So why did he let it happen again against the smaller Leonard? If the shots Leonard was landing on Hagler were all "showmanship and flash", then why didn't Hagler wade through them to get inside on him??? Hagler successfully used this tactic against the more powerful Hearns, so why not Leonard? Obviously, Leonard's shots gained Hagler's respect!

    A huge part of boxing is adapting to your opponent's gameplan, and Hagler wasted too much time in this fight. I'm more of a Hagler fan, and think he could have won, but I have Leonard edging it. That's just the way it went down...that night.

    There are FAR more controversial decisions out there.