Marvin Hagler NOT Top 10 All Time @160lbs

LaMotta fouled, threw Cerdan down, and Cerdan was injured. The fight should be ruled a NC. Cerdan wins the rematch. He hits harder, had the better defense, and IMO was faster.

Randy Turpin is in the hall, Dick is not.

 

If there is a link our article out there I often post it, completely destroying your agenda. You choose no to believe it. HAHA.

By chance did you read Adam's account of the Flynn vs Johnson match? Several at ringside Johnson was tiring with 30+ rounds to go in the heat of July. : ) Like I said if I choose to purchase this book, I could have a field day.

 

Serious question, are you drunk? Your posts are getting worse ,which I would have deemed impossible!
You've never posted a primary source to back up any of your claims ,its a recurring pattern in your M.O.
Cerdan suffered torn muscles in his shoulder, and Lamotta a broken middle knuckle on his left hand.
BTW Cerdan never fought Randy Turpin as has been explained to you.

If you could read properly you would know he fought his inferior brother Richard [D*ck] Turpin. God knows there were enough references to it for even a half -wit to pick up on it!

Please do buy the book it's a great extremely well referenced read ,can you manage to get some one to read it to you?

I have both volumes so, yes I know what's in them.

I keep asking these questions and those who choose to think there may be some credibility in the premise that Johnson may have tired later[,a view not supported by the referee by the way], which fights did Flynn have that went 30rds? 25rds? 20 rds?
In which long fights did Flynn indicate that he was Johnson's superior in stamina? I've asked this about 5 times and been greeted by deafening silence each time!

 

so trolling means not being a sad fanboy and being able to see that no fighter is perfect?

i thought it meant starting threads with stupid claims like srl beat hagler in lopsided fashion then throwing around insults while refusing to back up any of your claims or answer any questions posed on your obvious lies?

 

Show where I have rubbished any fighter in my post.
Show where I have contradicted myself


I have Fitz,Charles,Langford,Robinson Greb all in my top 10 p4p that in no way contradicts my view that Marvin Hagler is a top ATG 5 middleweight and certainly deserves to be rated above Marcel Cerdan who never proved he was even the best French 160 pounder.
My top ten middles in no order , champions only are:
Robinson
Greb
Hagler
Monzon
Ketchel
Walker
Steele
Lamotta
Tiger
Jones Jnr

Given up on the idea you know me and have traded films with me? Good, I wouldn't trade stamps with the likes of you!

Your post is one of the most illiterate, immature pieces of work outside of Ras Al Ghoul's and Mendoza's I've seen for some time.Tolling ,Trolling, For Whom The Bell Trolls ? Make up your mind ,and while you're at it, answer your own question,who was the tallest man to box in the UK?

I'll ask again for the names of the 30 middleweights you have seen Cerdan fighting, that's about 6 times now.
You're a liar who has been exposed , end of ,turn the page.

 

I said there were several Liverpool's around the world and there are,so in theory there could be several fighters hailing from them, at no time did I claim there was a list of any description.I've never at any time asked for the list of films that are in your possession I, along with another poster simply asked for the names of the 30 middleweights you claim to have seen Cerdan fight.
It's patently obvious you have reading comprehension issues, are you sure you're not related to Mendoza?

 

Ill take this slow as you have learning disabilities.

I have listed my top ten middleweights in no particular order. Hagler IS included in that list.
Hagler is NOT included on my top p4p list
In a post made today you said I'm a big fan of Cerdan's ,now I'm disparaging him? WTF which is it?
I made the statement that Cerdan never proved himself the best of the French middleweights which he did not.
Thil obviously is in the mix, along with Dauthille and Villemain.Their respective cv's stand favourable comparison to his.
I corrected you on Gary Duff when you made the statement he was in partnership with his Dad going around showing fight films Mickey ,whom I knew slightly, was never involved in that franchise.
Wikipaedia is just about the most unreliable boxing source I've encountered, no surprise then that you quote it!
Look sh*t for brains, let's face the fact you haven't seen 30 Cerdan middleweight fights and that you lied about them, it wont be the last time you stretch the truth to big yourself up here you pompous little turd.
You're fed up replying to me? Well thank f*ck for that!
Spending time correcting statements from you that I never made gets tiresome,as does the fact that when challenged to show where I made them ,your little nuts go up your arse,and you do not reply.

Just remember when you make statements about the films you 've seen some one will ask you to prove it. A liar needs a good memory and you have neither that, nor the mental facility to argue your way out of the holes you dig for yourself. Farewell little Anorak.

 

No. I don't know how many Cerdan v middleweight fights were filmed, and I don't know how many you or Frankel has seen.

I simply responded to your statement that Cerdan didn't fight 30 middleweights. I thought he probably did, but I'm not sure at all.
You made a definitive statement, so at least on that point you either have facts to back it up or you don't.

 

I've seen about half a dozen Cerdan fights that's all,my point was several of his title defences were against welters.
I've no beef with you on this issue, I just wanted Frankel to name the 30 middleweight fights he claims to have seen Cerdan in but ,despite repeated requests for the names he has not done so.I enjoy conversing with you , but I'm annoyed I've wasted so much time talking to a ****** like Frankel .

 

Fair enough.

 

If anyone has seen 30 Cerdan fights I'd like the list too !
I know/suspect there are quite a few out there, even snippets, because Cerdan was used as an entertainment and morale booster (on both sides of the France divide, I think) during the war years and post-war, and loads of stuff was filmed then.