Marvin Hagler NOT Top 10 All Time @160lbs

Duran actually thought he had done enough to get the decision. As both fighters awaited the judges call, Duran called over to Hagler, "You aint no marvelous" all judges had Hagler taking the final round, which secured him the razor thin points victory. Leonard knew he had won by a landslide and rightly so. Hagler's claim is fanciful. Hagler aged 32 was virtually his "Prime Years" Hopkins fought at 48, GGG is 35, Roy Jones was still undefeated at 35 years of age. As for ringworn, Ray Leonard had by far the tougher career fights and better competition than Hagler. Leonard had suffered a detatched-retina, as well as brutal 15 round bouts against Duran, Hearns, Benitez. While Hagler fought a 15 round fight the once, against the very mediocre Antuofermo.

 

Hearns broke his right-hand and clearly had Hagler on the verge of defeat. Hagler avoided the rematch... Hearns moved up to fight Hagler. John Mugabi was a Class C fighter, who had beaten no-one of worth, Terry Norris & Gerald McClellan showed how to deal with Mugabi. Hamsho, Caveman Lee, Scypion, Sibson, Obel were all Class C fighters. Hagler failed to beat Antuofermo for the title in 1979 coming away with a draw, yet to claim him to be the unlucky loser is laughable. Antuofermo was mediocre at best. Your claiming Hagler to be better than Fullmer simply because he beat a former lightweight. A former lightweight Champion who spent the very best years of his career at 135lbs. Duran was 33 years of age when he fought Hagler. Duran had lost 3 of his last 8 fights, and would be poleaxed by Hearns in his fight immediately after losing to Hagler... But at the very least, we agree that Roberto Duran was Marvin Hagler's best career victory.

 

Not an argument, just a debate.. You seem as though you are backing off debating, because you obviously realize what i have claimed is correct. Bobby "boogaloo" Watts was far from World Class. Watts was a decent fighter and philly fan favourite, but was very limited. Same goes for Mustapha Hamsho, who was far from Class A level fighter. Hamsho clearly, was very fortunate to get a decision win over Alan Minter in 1981, when Minter looked to be the clear winner. The vast majority of Hamsho's opponents were club-fighters or journeymen at best. Hamsho had the right conections to get him the title fight with Hagler, his ability in the ring was limited. John Mugabi had a record of 26-0(26) all stiffs. Mugabi was managed by Mickey Duff and trained by George Francis, who manouvered him into a title fight, yet he was very limited. The question must be asked: are Mugabi, Hamsho, Watts the equivalent or better than the opponents Gene Fullmer fought?... or for that matter, are they better quality opponents than any of the 160lb champions opponents listed?.... They don't even come close. Kevin Finnegan twice, went over to Boston Massachutsetts to fight Hagler. Both times Finnegan, had Hagler "worked out," only to be headbutted, out of both fights. UK fight fans, knew all about Finnegan's losses, which was why they reacted, the way they did towards Hagler. The night he took the title from Minter at Wembley. Fans thought Marvin had butted Minter, yet the reality was nothing of the kind. Marvin Hagler was a very good fighter. My point in this thread is, Hagler falls short on several levels (resume, quality of opposition, H2H, ability) when compared to other great 160lb champions.

 

which ideas are you referring too?