Marvin Hagler, The Thread.

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Marvin Hagler was one of the greatest prize fighters to ever compete, an honest tough man with respect, who was hard done by in major bouts.
Despite this he dominated the MW division for 7 years between 1980 and 1987, racking up 12 title defences along the way.
He has scored wins over

Willie Monroe 2*
Bobby Watts
Bennie Brisoce
Kevin Finnegan 2*
Alan Minter
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho 2*
Tony Sibson
Roberto Duran
Tommy Hearns
John Mugabi

That's 1 helluva hit list, and it's arguable Hagler only ever lost once, with controversy surrounding his losses at the hands of Leonard and Watts, as well as the draw vs Antuofermo.
For this thread, I have watched these bouts

Willie Monroe 3
Watts 1&2
Bennie Brisoce
Vito Antuofermo 1 &2
Alan Minter
Mustafa Hamsho 1&2
Tony Sibson
Roberto Duran
Tommy Hearns
John Mugabi
Sugar Ray Leonard

That's a lot of ****ing boxing, and Hagler delivered for all of it, scorecards below.
Watching these bouts back, it's obvious that Hagler had a significant downfall throughout his title reign. The difference in snap between the Sibson fight and the Leonard fight is blatant.

Hagler at his best was a marvel, pun intended.
For me, his best was between the Minter fight and the Sibson fight.
He would dance about on the balls of his feet, flitting in and out of range, landing his pin-point accurate, ramrod jab into his opponents face while stepping between the two stances and being able to box and brawl at will.

It's these qualities that made Hagler so versatile and well rounded.
He had sound fundamentals, his feet were textbook and fast. He could throw every punch from both stances and had a cute defence.
He was both fluid and agile whilst being physically rough and brutish. He could switch stances seamlessly whilst moving forward, backwards, whilst he was punching or slipping, although I don't think he needed to do it.

He had freakish physical attributes as well.
He had thudding power, he bludgeoned his opponents down, rather than just blowing them out explosively like Tommy Hearns, for example.
He was hardly slow, but I wouldn't call him a prime Meldrick Taylor.
His chin was cast iron. He took massive bombs from huge punchers like Hearns and Mugabi and didn't look hurt at all really.

His jab was his best punch imo, he threw it from down under, upward. This created leverage but left him open momentarily, it also let him moving off it, giving more mobility and keeps his opponents thinking, and turning.
He could spring into his jab as well, sacrificing balance for a massive force at a long range.
He could use it to tame vicious brawlers, like in the Hamsho, Briscoe, Mugabi and first Antuofermo fights or mess up his opponents face like Sibson and Minter fights.
To enter a fight with Marvin Hagler trying to brawl wasn't clever.
As he could both make you look foolish on his toes with his 1-2, or knuckle down and trade with the best of them.

Imo he has 3 weaknesses, 2 minor and 1 major.

For the first minor, we have his lack off ATG speed, not so much a weakness, but something that if he had could make his life against fellow ATGs easier.
For the second, we have his unnecessary habit of switching to orthodox, he never seemed more comfortable as a righty, and never accomplished more as an orthodox that he couldn't/didn't as a southpaw. He just seemed to miss more and get hit more when he did.

For his Major weakness, it's his lack of high ring IQ. He seemed to falter when he had to think on his feet. That's why he gave Duran too much respect imo, and fought the fight Duran wanted to fight against him.
Similarly he decided to fight as an orthodox against Leonard, for no apparent reason. It just caused him to lose the first 4 rounds.
He also could forget some of the stuff that he did so well, like looping his cross instead of throwing straight shots, or not cutting off the ring and using body shots vs Leonard.

It's for this reason that I chose Hopkins over him.
Who in your opinion beats him at 160?

 

Bennie Briscoe, vs Hagler.

He looked Docile early on but woke up in the final 3 rounds, he was obviously far from the force he once was but he was highly ranked. Top 5 in a few ABC body's and by Ring. Was it a good win? I tend to think it was a good win, just not a great win. But To quote a great man, who shall remain nameless

What do fans think about this?

 

Marvin Hagler, The Thread, The Scorecards

Please note, all rounds labelled "CLOSE" are labelled as such because I can see them going either way, not because they were competitive. So rounds which were competitive but with a clear winner, like the 6th vs Mugabi, are not labelled close but we're very competitive.

Hagler vs Monroe 3
1. Hagler 10-9 CLOSE
2. TOS

Bobby Watts 1
1. Hagler 10-9 CLOSE
2. Even 19-19 (Watts 10-9) CLOSE
3. Watts 29-28 (Watts 10-9)
4. Even 38-38 (Hagler 10-9)
5. Hagler 48-47 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Hagler 58-56 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
7. Hagler 68-65 (Hagler 10-9)
8. Hagler 78-74 (Hagler 10-9)
9. Hagler 88-83 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
10. Hagler 98-92 (Hagler 10-9)

Hagler vs Briscoe
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
3. Hagler 30-27 (Hagler 10-9)
4. Hagler 39-37 (Briscoe 10-9) CLOSE
5. Hagler 49-46 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Hagler 59-55 (Hagler 10-9)
7. Hagler 69-64 (Hagler 10-9)
8. Hagler 79-73 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
9. Hagler 89-82 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
10. Hagler 98-92 (Briscoe 10-9) CLOSE

Hagler vs Minter
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9)
3. TOS

Hagler vs Antuofermo 1
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9)
3. Hagler 30-27 (Hagler 10-9)
4. Hagler 40-36 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
5. Hagler 49-46 (Vito 10-9) CLOSE
6. Hagler 59-55 (Hagler 10-9)
7. Hagler 69-64 (Hagler 10-9)
8. Hagler 78-74 (Vito 10-9) CLOSE
9. Hagler 88-83 (Hagler 10-9)
10. Hagler 97-93 (Vito 10-9) CLOSE
11. Hagler 106-103 (Vito 10-9) CLOSE
12. Hagler 116-112 (Hagler 10-9)
13. Hagler 125-122 (Vito 10-9)
14. Hagler 135-131 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
15. Hagler 145-40 (Hagler 10-9)

Hagler vs Antuofermo 2
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9)
3. Hagler 30-26 (Hagler 10-8)
4. Hagler 40-35 (Hagler 10-9)

Hagler vs Hamsho 1

1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9)
3. Hagler 30-27 (Hagler 10-9)
4. Hagler 40-36 (Hagler 10-9)
5. Hagler 50-45 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Hagler 60-54 (Hagler 10-9)
7. Hagler 70-63 (Hagler 10-9)
8. Hagler 80-72 (Hagler 10-9)
9. Hagler 90-81 (Hagler 10-9)
10. Hagler 100-90 (Hagler 10-9)
11. TOS

Hagler vs Sibson
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9)
3. Hagler 30-27 (Hagler 10-9)
4. Hagler 40-36 (Hagler 10-9)
5. Hagler 50-45 (Hagler 10-9)
6. TOS

Hagler vs Duran
1. Hagler 10-9
2. Hagler 20-18 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
3. Hagler 29-28 (Duran 10-9)
4. Hagler 39-37 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
5. Hagler 49-46 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Hagler 59-55 (Hagler 10-9)
7. Hagler 69-64 (Hagler 10-9)
8. Hagler 78-74 (Duran 10-9) CLOSE
9. Hagler 87-84 (Duran 10-9) CLOSE
10. Hagler 96-94 (Duran 10-9) CLOSE
11. Hagler 105-104 (Duran 10-9) CLOSE
12. Even 114-114 (Duran 10-9) CLOSE
13. Hagler 124-123 (Hagler 10-9)
14. Hagler 134-132 (Hagler 10-9)
15. Hagler 144-141 (Hagler 10-9)

Hagler vs Hearns
1. Hearns 10-9 CLOSE
2. Even 19-19 (Hagler 10-9)
3. TOS

Hagler vs Hamsho 2

1. Hagler 10-9
2. Even 19-19 (Hamsho 10-9) CLOSE
3. TOS

Hagler vs Mugabi
1. Mugabi 10-9 CLOSE
2. Mugabi 20-18 (Mugabi 10-9)
3. Mugabi 29-28 (Hagler 10-9)
4. Even 38-38 (Hagler 10-9) CLOSE
5. Hagler 48-47 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Hagler 58-56 (Hagler 10-9)
7. Even 66-66 (Mugabi 10-8)* CLOSE
8. Hagler 76-75 (Hagler 10-9)
9. Hagler 86-84 (Hagler 10-9)
10. Hagler 96-93 (Hagler 10-9)
11. TOS
*Point deducted from Hagler for low blows

Leonard vs Hagler
1. Leonard 10-9
2. Leonard 20-18 (Leonard 10-9)
3. Leonard 30-27 (Leonard 10- 9)
4. Leonard 40-36 (Leonard 10-9)
5. Leonard 49-46 (Hagler 10-9)
6. Leonard 59-55 (Leonard 10-9)
7. Leonard 69-64 (Leonard 10-9)
8. Leonard 78-74 (Hagler 10-9)
9. Leonard 87-84 (Hagler 10-9)
10. Leonard 96-94 (Hagler 10-9)
11. Leonard 105-104 (Hagler 10-9)
12. Leonard 115-113 (Leonard 10-9)

 

I just listed my own personal top 8 with Hagler removed