Marvin Hagler v Joe Calzaghe At 168lbs Who Wins?

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  1. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    What colour is the sky in your world? :huh
     
  2. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Got to go with Calzaghe. Hagler was one of the best middleweights in history. Calzaghe was THE best SUPER middleweight in history. You do the math


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  3. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm with this guy. Hagler by KTFO!
     
  4. OPBF

    OPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can't believe the bias for old fighters here. Calzaghe fought at a far heavier weight than Hagler ever did against far heavier fighters and he had a style of fighting that could win a lot of points against Hagler ala Sugar Ray Leonard.

    The weigh-in eras are even different. You guys obviously don't respect Calzaghe, but dang, just look at the objective facts. Hagler is obviously p4p better than Calzaghe, but Calzaghe became heavier than a Light-Heavy at fight night.

    He is also fast, has brains, and very durable.
     
  5. horst

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    This is like putting a Ferrari in a race with an Escort. Joe is good, Marvin is great. Hagler boxes the chops off him. The gap in technique is just too massive for any other outcome.
     
  6. horst

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    Sergio Martinez rehydrated to 167 for his mw fight with Pavlik, Pavlik was 178lbs. The gap between Hagler and Calzaghe would not be more than that, but the gap in quality between Marvin and Joe C was far greater than that between Sergio and the Ghost. You are wildly overstating the size issue here. You think Manny Pac would have made this clear by now!! :lol:
     
  7. OPBF

    OPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are you not reading this well?

    Hagler would have been the smaller man.

    And you're acting like Calzaghe had no skills.

    He has skills. He has footwork. He has speed. He has a windmill style that scored points. He's no Pavlik. No one has ever walked through Calzaghe's slaps. Even Hopkins admitted that it's hard to pick shots against Calzaghe because of the volume of punches and the speed they came at.

    He's taller and a naturally bigger man than Hagler. Hagler fought 160 same day weigh-in.

    Calzaghe fought greater than 175, bordering at 178-9 lbs come fight night.

    And he's NOT a slow plodder like Margarito. Outpointing Hagler is not hard to see as an end result, especially when SRL did it to Hagler, and he was the naturally smaller man against Hagler.
     
  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Calzaghe would beat Hagler kinda like Leonard did, except Leonard was pulling a Calzaghe imitation. Calzaghe would do it better.
     
  9. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have only seen 2 post from you recently and all of them are just nuts. Hagler would ruin RUIN Calzaghe.
     
  10. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I'd actually tab Calslappy to take this one. He's a much bigger guy than Hagler, much fleeter of foot, Hagler had trouble with outside boxers sometimes, and I suspect Calzaghe would dance circles around him and throw pitty pat flurries to score points. The X factor for me is how well Calzaghe would handle a great southpaw, as the best one he fought that I can remember off the top of my head is Mario Veit. Don't forget, if Hagler had fought today in an era of previous day weigh-ins, prime Hagler probably would have fought at 154 or possibly even welterweight.

    ATG, obviously Hagler is much higher, but head to head I just feel like it's a bad matchup for him.
     
  11. horst

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    Anyone care to explain to these teenage ****wits that the Hagler who fought Leonard was a far declined force from the prime Hagler of the early 80s???

    Calzaghe was never a full-sized, fully-fledged lightheavy, he was a natural supermiddle who fought other middles and supermiddles in his lightheavy fights. I very much doubt he ever weighed more than 175 in his supermiddleweight days, if even that.

    Martinez beat Pavlik while facing an 11-pound weight deficit, I think Hagler could do likewise to Joe Calzaghe facing a similar weight disadvantage. The poundage is not a massive issue.

    Hagler was just a vastly superior all-round fighter. He had a much better jab than Joe, far better fundamentals... I'm losing the will to type here actually. This is like chatting about who would win between Jose Luis Castillo (a good fighter from our era) and Roberto Duran (a solid gold elite ATG from the 70s/80s).

    If you don't understand that already, then no amount of typing from me can help you!!!
     
  12. JMP

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    Hagler could outbox him or outfight him. Either way, he wins. Much better technically and much more skilled.
     
  13. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bottom line :good
     
  14. Jimbob

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    Hopkins was also 43 years old.
     
  15. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    :deal