Marvin Hagler V Joe Calzaghe

I'm not saying its a mismatch, i'm saying its not a million miles away... long way - not million miles :yep

 

:barf

 

oh so if joe beats NARD it's because of age now?

sorry to break it to you anytime these 2 would of fought JC owns his ass.

see when nard first started out he was vicious ...HHMM just like HAGLER was in his later career. nard went after his guy and went to war thats how he earned the name EXacutioner. he took his guy out. remeber JOE lipsee.

if they fight now joes style won't alow NARD to fight with his conservative style he has now. he will be forced to revert to sluging it out or lose every round due to out put and nard got to much pride for that. so he will reluctantly go all out. wich will play in to JC hands and game plan also jc is not just quick bu also does not get hit alot as he seem to have a natural radar not on RJJ or willie peps level but it's still great.

and if you want to go for a younger version of NARD vs a younger JC then you also have to include JC hand not being as bad there for his power would be that much better there for a young nard would be trading with younger stronger harder hitting Joe risking a possible ko loss.

and if you want to go with a supose nard that beat TITo then you have a prime jc who always keep raising his game as the compition gets better . take a look at how JC kept elavating his game in the kessler fight( now that wasn't a prime jc that was him on the decline). sorry but jc just beats hopkins period any time anywhere.

this is why some peopl think he can beat hagler .by the way the young hagler fights like an old hopkins:good

 

poll is now tied...people have gotten their heads out of their asses

 

It was 3.

I guess Floyd must also be on acid, anyway, because he reckons Calz is one of the best fighters he's ever seen. I mean, it's not like his opinion matters or anything, right... :-(

 

peopl are just hating:good

 

Too true.

 

H2H, 50-50

Accomplishments, Hagler KO

 

Marvin Hagler was an all time great, perhaps the best ever at middleweight, a great all around fighter, and an iron chinned warrior.

However, I believe Hagler would lost a lot of his effectiveness if he moved up to super middleweight. He was never a one punch knockout artist, but did wear down guys with a steady, brutal accumulation of punishment. So he didn't have that one punch to stop Calzaghe (nobody at 168 does) and it would take a long accumulative job to win by KO or TKO. Calzaghe's defense and ring generalship is too good for that to happen. He didn't stop Duran or Leonard, so I don't see him stopping Joe, who has a great chin.

Calzaghe is a great fighter too. Sure he hasn't accomplished as much as Marvin, but it is very evident to me that he is every bit as versatile and every bit as complete. He lacks the power of Marvin, but makes up for it with better speed and defense. If they fought on the inside, Hagler would not pulverize him. Calzaghe is a tough customer in close and very crafty and slick. I see his faster hands getting the better of inside exchanges, but Marvin would be very competitive, landing some hard shots to the body and the head.

On the outside, a prime Hagler had a piston-like jab, but against Calzaghe, I don't see him establishing it.

Calzaghe is bigger than Hagler too, and while Hagler looked like a beast, Calzaghe is very strong in his own right. I think Calzaghe's size, speed, smarts, and versatility would be enough to overcome Hagler by a 116-112 decision. To be honest, the only fighter I see beating Calzaghe at 168 is Roy Jones, Jr.

 

Great post man :good

 

Nice to always see an objective analysis. The best point is that he didn't stop Duran or Leonard, this ruling out stopping Calzaghe very slim.

This is similiar to those fools that think being very close with a blown up Wright equals an easy time with Calzaghe, as if Wright is better and more stylistically challenging.

Roy Jones would likely beat Calzaghe, I rate him a clear favourite and would bet on Roy if this bout prime/prime was happening next week, but everybody else doesn't have what it takes.

I also think you agreed Brooklyn that Kessler could beat Hagler, but nobody will agree with that because they don't analyse things.

Kessler is not legendary, he's not even a supernatural elite, but he is an excellent elite fighter and Hagler never defeated a man as large as Kessler, with Kessler's skills and natural ability, even though he defeated a technically perfect fighter in Hearns and several other smaller legends. How would Hagler deal with the bigger guy? I think the fight is 50/50, Hagler being extremely tough and skilled and Kessler being larger and having a pretty big style advantage with that commanding jab.

The fact remains to anybody with analysation ability that NOBODY in 2007 clearly beat any opponent as good as Kessler, if so, please name the opponent regardless of weight class. It sure as **** isn't Ricky Hatton and a past prime Shane Mosely and it sure as **** isn't a past it DLH and it definitely isn't Jean Marc Mormeck or the joke Jermain Taylor.

 

I agree with you completely that Calzaghe's win over a prime, undefeated Kessler was the best win anybody had this entire year. Add the fact he beat him to the great performance he gave (even while past his prime).

The bottom line is that Kessler doesn't have the name or popularity of Wright, Mosley, Taylor, or De La Hoya, but in 2007 in his respective weight class, he was performing at the higher level. The guy barely lost any rounds and he wasn't facing stiffs. I will also add that Kessler @ 168 is definitely better than Wright @ 170.

I believe Kessler/Hagler is a 50-50 fight too. If both were naturally the same size, I think Hagler stops him late, but Kessler is a big super middleweight and bigger than anybody Hagler faced. His jab would present problems as would his range and lateral movement. I think Hagler had the better punch variety and was the more complete fighter, so he would present big problems as well. However, I must restate my questions as to how effective he would really be at 168. I could see either guy winning. Sure as hell wouldn't be an easy fight for Hagler (or Kessler for that matter).

 

Agreed, I'm not saying that Kessler would be a favourite over Hagler, but Hagler also should be no more than a slight favourite over Kessler given all factors.

Most morons will say 'Hagler KO 5', when that's just absurd, he'd really have to wear this guy down and would really eat some top notch leather in the process, as his defence was not the best around, luckily, the guy's chin was one of the best ever and thus he can eat whatever Kessler dishes out all night long.

I'll also add that Hagler dropped more rounds against B class opp than Mikkel did, have to add that because that feat from Mikkel is extremely impressive, nobody does that off the top of my head, even Calzaghe for that matter.:yep

Kessler can't deal well with a guy who can control pace, but since he can fight at such a higher pace than most, he'd at least be level with Hagler at that point, where as Jones and Calzaghe control everything and really beat him badly prime/prime.

I'd bet anything some fool would say DLH and Wright beat Kessler prime to prime.:yep

 

If not De La Hoya, than definitely Wright. I bet some would pick Taylor over Kessler too.

Good point about Kessler having difficulty with guys who can control the pace.