Marvin Hagler V Joe Calzaghe

With Kessler controlling pace, he shows very few weaknesses, if any at all.

You can't even talk about this stuff though even when being serious if people know you're a Calzaghe fan, because then they flush accurate facts down the toilet just because they think you're hyping Calzaghe, despite the fact that the facts remain from viewing.

Who from the 160-175 crop beats Kessler?

Calzaghe.

Dawson/Kessler is a 50/50, a slight edge for Dawson may be there.

The 160-175 crop is LOADED with talent. This says plenty to me about Kessler's level, add to the fact that we can analyse fighters correctly to where they stand.

I'd bet a prime Trinidad beats Kessler at 168 also.:yep

 

No result, Calzaghe refuses to fight because of over 1 million excuses, prime for prime that is. Right now?, Calzaghe wins but only in England.

 

Who beats Kessler from 160-175?

Calzaghe and maybe Dawson. Other than that, Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor, Abraham, Bute, Erdei, and Woods all get beat - I have no questions about that.

I'm sick of people analyzing wins and fighters based on name value and popularity. What counts more is the level in which the fighters perform at the time. Going by that, Calzaghe's wide UD victory over Kessler is most certainly above wins such as Hatton KO4 Castillo and Mayweather TKO10 Hatton.

Vargas would have beaten Kessler by the way.

 

Exactly and the ability to defeat all of that talent makes you a pretty significant level ELITE fighter in my opinion.

I'm sick of this crap too, they can't analyse anything but set statistics and it's not me pimping Calzaghe, because I say this for any fighter and all of the underrated talent the sport has.

A win over even a past prime Forrest at LHW, would put Floyd into sky rocketed levels, he'd have defeated a massive guy who has the worst style for him possible and therefore I am judging not on the past prime name, but what Floyd had to overcome to win. They wouldn't see it this way, what would be bigger balls than facing Forrest.

Facing Forrest is so difficult, I would never expect Floyd to ever do it and wouldn't criticise him even if Forrest made a mockery of him calling him out.

But I do expect him to fight Cotto.

:rofl :rofl

Tarver would KTFO Kessler in 3 rounds in June of 2008!:rofl

 

I love Hagler. Especially, since I grew up in Boston and my pops was a big fan of his. We both thought that he won the fight against Leonard, but he could've and should've done more to win more convincingly.

This fight's a 50/50. Calzahge's quick, elusive, and quite slick for a 168 lb. boxer. Also, has excellent ring smarts. Hagler, excellent pressure fighter, powerfull and quick hands. I don't know. I'd be rootin for Hagler, that's for sure.

 

Hagler was a great legendary middleweight.

But he was the weakest of the four legends of that weight and era. (Leonard, Duran and Hearns being the others).



I personally believe he beat Leonard, but it was very close.

He DID struggle with Duran, a natural lightweight.

The only one he holds thw W over is Hearns, who fought the wrong fight.

Calzaghe is a 'big' 168, is as fast as Hagler, has more tools in his arsenal and is more skilled generally.

He would UD Hagler and it wouldn't be as close as most think.

 

In my eyes,Hagler was not the biggest of middleweights, in fact he looked more suited to light middle, framewise. The Duran fight raised some questions about Haglers ATGness.

 

I think people here overrate Joe a little too much. Calslappy would not win, even if he did get the decision

 

How is Calzaghe more skilled than Hagler?

 

hell of a match up,i had to really think about this 1 in the end i picked calzaghe,prob on a sd

 

**** me, Joe struggled with Sakio Bika, Kabery Salem & Tocker Pud-No-Skill.... can't base fights on sub-par performances. Both fighters at their best, then you get an accurate picture.



SnR

 

Preach it brutha! Peach it!:yep

Boo

 

No, it didn't. He struggled a little more than he should have, but definitely deserved a clear decision. Every great fighter has some close fights.

 

But it did do more for Duran's regard than Hagler's in the end. I tend to think of it this way, Duran is one of the best fighters of all time and fought extremely smart here, it does well for his regard and not so much Hagler's.

But it also doesn't take away from Hagler either, as Duran was plain and simply that great of a fighter.

I wish a Roberto Duran was around today, to show these ignorant Floyd fanboys that he's certainly far from 'unbeatable'.:yep

 

The win definitely did more for Duran than Hagler. When people bring up Hagler, when speaking about Duran, they talk about how he lasted the distance and was very game. On the other side of the coin, you hear how Hagler struggled with a lightweight and would have lost a decision had it been a 12 round fight.

But I'm glad you don't question Hagler's ATG status because of the Duran fight:good

Duran CLEANS OUT 135, 140, and 147 today. I would bet some good money on him over Mayweather, Cotto, Williams, Cintron, Hatton, whoever...

I will go as far as to say he might be underrated by some people on this forum.