Marvin Hagler v.s Harry Greb

You are of course entitled to your opinion but it is a somewhat eccentric one.

 

Well, since no real footage exists of these 'Greb' angles, I gotta assume they were the typical wild and crazy swings that Greb was said to have thrown that in turn also left Greb off-balance and in rather bizarre punching stances..... Still, okay, that would create problems for a polished boxer like Hagler was...... I can see that..... BUT! Hagler was a precise counter-puncher who rarely ever went off-balance... Therefore, I see Hagler making Greb miss and then nailing him good in return....... I also see Hagler's sharp punches ripping or tearing up Greb's mug as the battle goes on.......

MR.BILL

 

The reason why one of his opponents said he thought he had a carload of gloves dropped on him (there were lots of variations of this phrase in next-day reports after almost every fight with Greb), was because the punches were coming from different angles, Greb would move left and right and up and down when throwing punches. Sure they had no steam behind them, but it was almost impossible to predict where next punch would come from. Greb wasn't at all discouraged if he missed, he just kept doing his things.

 

Well, "swarmer" or "boxer" of the ring, every fighter has gotten frustrated or discouraged at one point or another..... Especially after a loss......

As for the old gloves....... Harry Greb used them shitty pre-1930 gloves where you could move the padding all around the inside of the glove to suit your evil intentions upside your intended victims head.... Problem with them gloves was, if you mis-wrapped your paws prior to a fight, you were looking at either broken or bruised hands.... To this day it is still a problem.....

Note: Neither Hagler or Greb were really credited as being murderous punchers.... Yet both dude's owned good enough power to close the show.....

MR.BILL

 

These written accounts always remind me of old silent actor Lon Chaney Senior.
He earned the monicker the man of a thousand faces and was regarded a the greatest actor ever, unfortunately many of his older movies were destroyed or damaged and it was just word of mouth which gave him such a brilliant reputation.
A number of years later many of these lost films were re-found and when re-evaluated by movie experts and the general public, it turns out that his acting was just ok nothing out of the ordinary. It's basically the curiosity aroused from the lack of footage which led to greater debate which in turn created a life of it's own and an aura of greatness around something only few had witnessed.
This is what happened with Greb, he is put on a pedestal in the minds eye of boxing afficionados without having solid visual evidence - just human nature really, but to be taken with a pinch of salt!

 

Greb by decision.

 

No disrespect, but the reason that Harry Greb was put on a "pedestal",and was held in awe by his peers was because Greb EARNED IT...
I cannot understand how some Doubting Thomasts of today do not give
full credit to a 160 lb fighter who licked every HOFamer he fought,
usually outweighed by many many pounds, who had about 300 bouts,
beating the likes of Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Jack Dillon, Tommy Loughran,Maxie Rosenbloom, Gunboat Smith, Bill Brennan HW,many times,
Mickey Walker, and a host of other great fighters who are seen on old fims
that survive...All the great trainers of his time and after extolled Greb's
amazing toughness, handspeed, speed afoot, and inhuman stamina,
but you 80-90 years later claim " you don't have solid evidence".
Well I have never seen or heard Abraham Lincoln speak, but I know his
greatness from his work and DEEDS..And so with Harry Greb's deeds
speak for itself...
P.S. And it must be reminded again. Greb had sight in one eye only in the last part of his astounding career ....
P.P.S. One more question to you. Marvin Hagler had 67 bouts in his entire career..Greb had 299 fights..Do you think that Hagler who was already slipping in his last bout with SRL, could have fought 232 more bouts, agains bigger foes, as Greb did and survive the opponents that Greb did ? I think not. Hagler was great, The Pittsburgh
Windmill was awesome...

 

burt is gay for robots

 

don't be so _ucken stupid... (British expression, NOT an insult).

You DON'T need film footage, there's enough footage of many others to see these men could fight and were great fighters, see Tony Canzoneri 20s & 30s and others too!

if Greb and other top fighters are beating all these top men, then of course their great, and keep in mind they did it FOR YEARS and years in hundreds of fights aswell.

SO, you've got EVERY FIGHT of a great fighter that had only 30-40 fights and only 1/4 or so of them against top tier, Big Deal - would they have stayed on top multiplied by dozens of fights, the history would be much different believe me.

RJJ for example would have been found out long before he was.

GREB and hundreds more from the turn of the century right thru too the 1950s ARE GREAT, no argument!

 

:goodThistle, well said..To have 67 fights as opposed to 299 fights is a
great difference...Try doing 67 pushups as opposed to 299 pushups, if
I may use an analogy ...Which is the greater test ?...Cheerio...

 

My comments were not to denigrate Grebbs achievements but more aimed at the HTH discussions with him involved - You can't presume anyone in the history of boxing could beat Marvin Hagler without extensive footage of them, just a few 90 year old testimonies

 

Hi Crip. Curious to know who these movie experts were? And what was their measuring stick for acting brilliance in silent movies? And which movies are you referring to? In fact the "Phantom of the Opera" and "Hunchback of Notre Dame" were never lost, have always been in circulation and are widely praised as two of the greatest silent films ever (especially Chaney's performance and physical transformation in each). Go read any review by any respected movie expert and you will see nothing but praise for Chaney.

Keep in mind that the silent movie medium was very limiting in terms of expression. I've seen several surviving Chaney movies and his acting was just as good as any silent movie thespian. Chaney was the son of deaf mutes and literally grew up expressing himself with physical action and gesture in order to communicate with his parents. This upbringing is often pointed at as the reason for Chaney's ability to express emotion onscreen.

Anyway, sorry to get off topic...:thumbsup

 

But you can presume that anyone great enough to whip Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran, Mike Gibbons, Maxie Rosenbloom, etc- all of whom we have film on(sans Maxie)- has more than enough to beat Marvin Hagler

 

But we all know that if fighter A beats fighter B who beats fighter C it never means that fighter A beats C

The idea of H2H match ups is describe how one fighter will overcome another not just state he will win because he beat someone else - not even a common opponent