Marvin Hagler vs Floyd Patterson & Michael Spinks

Haha, Well, I can't say... although I can't see Emile Griffith knocking Hagler down unless Emile was wielding a baseball bat. Hagler would probably be the physically stronger of the two against Foster and gangly Bob would have rough stuff if Hagler gets inside. I see that happening more than I see Hagler getting blown out early.

 

I think you missed the point of my post, It was in the short period of time Tommy had with two good hands he did manage to shake Marv up. I also stated Hagler may hold up against Spinks and Patterson but that I didnt think he could win and that they would land hard and often enough to test Marvins durability like never before.

As for Toney to say he had a 160lb frame I feel is erroneous, I believe he was more like a light heavy who could make 160 for a short period, yet your are quite right that had it been suggested he could stand up to a heavyweight banger when he was campaigning as a middle it would have seemed incredulous.

 

No, I got the point of your Hearns' assertion, but disagree. I think that Hagler could take the best shots that Hearns had and demonstrated it. Remember, Hearns was not the most durable of guys and so if he didn't hurt his hand, he was still under hellish pressure and his power would diminish as rounds went on. Hagler put hellish pressure on guys. I think that his physical presence in the ring is underated here on ESB. Fighting him was like fighting lead. Foster was not stronger than Hagler.

I've been in the ring with guys with that kind of strength and its an absolute unmitigated nightmare. They sap you on the inside and the pressure they put at any distance also saps you -at least emotionally.

As for Toney, well, he claimed that he was more functional at 168 and then he claimed the same at LHW, and Cruiser. I think his problem wasn't that he was too big for MW, it was his appetite that was too big. Toney was the cardinal sin of gluttony on gams. That's a great fighter with serious issues. An eating disorder to begin with!

 

No Foster is not stronger than Hagler but is stronger than Hearns and hit with power behind a long snapping jab. Dick Tiger was very strong.

You could use Qawi as an example of how Hagler may go at light Heavy but I think Qawi was stronger than Marvin and I would favour Dwight if these two met.

It may seem that I dont rate Hagler highly, I do, I just feel he was right at 160 and would give away too many intangibles at 175

 

Qawi was stronger, but Hagler brings more of everything else. Tiger was indeed very strong.

In the end, I like that Hagler stayed put to dominate his division. It was the smart move in every direction. If there is plenty to do in consolidating your own kingdom, why invade another? Bush could have learned from Hagler.

 

All valid points no arguements here

 

no offence but this thread is just stupid.... patterson and spinks would absolutely destroy hagler. these people give no **** for patterson.... floyd would destroy lhw as bob foster, archie moore,antonio tarver... and these men would beat marvin.... floyd patterson was a hell of fighter he destroyed archie moore much faster than marciano did. patterson would murder hagler. in your next thread you might say that sugar ray robinson would outbox george foreman or floyd mayweather would beat joe frazier by ud. lmao

 

Really? When? After the Hearns fight?

 

I'm sure that I'm not the first to say this but...I have a really difficult time seeing Hagler at 175. I mean the guy was already considered really muscular for a MW. It's like asking Gamboa to move up and fight at 147 or Mancini to fight at 160.

 

I can't see anyone at or near 160 stopping Marvin. In any era, on any planet. The guy was never even seriously hurt as a pro or ametuer... never. And look who he tangled with. Top 3 chins of all time. Plus, his workrate was insane. Marvin takes both of these guys. And Tarver beating Marvin?

 

"Patty and Spinks" are too big and powerful for the great 160 pounder Hagler if they were to fight anywhere between 165 to 175 pounds.... Hagler doesn't do well with them dude's..... NO!
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MR.BILL:hat

 

LIKE OTHER FRIEND SAID , MARVIN WAS MUSCULAR FOR A MIDDLEWEIGHT, HE VERY DIFFICULTLY COULD FIGHT AT SUPERMIDDLE, ANTONIO TARVER WAS A LHW AND HE DID HIT VERY HARD, OF COURSE HE WOULD BEAT MARVIN HAGLER, MARVIN WAS GOOD IN HIS WEIGHT. MAYBE YOU THINK THAT HAGLER WOULD TAKE ALI´S SHOTS BECAUSE ALI DIDN´T HIT SO HARD FOR A HW.

THE MARVIN FANS THINK THAT HE WAS SUPERMAN. MARVIN HAGLER WAS A GREAT MIDDLE WEIGHT, END OF THE HISTORY. HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MARVELOUS IN THE LHW. MAYBE YOU THINK THAT SUGAR RAY ROBINSON WOULD BEAT RON LYLE:rofl

 

I see Marvin being stopped in both fights.