Marvin Hagler vs Gennady Golovkin At MW

Yes but his body was that of a natural 154. He was a great MW inspite of that.

 

How was his body that of a natural 154 lber? Boxing classes are about weight. Hagler was never fat or ballooned in a fight. He was perfect for 160. Long reach, average height, great stamina, great chin, great muscularity...

 

No, they are not and no it doesn't; for reasons already given.

And, as has been pointed out to you, very clearly, mid-70s ('74-'77) Monroe was not defeated by a club fighter, even by your definition.

 

why are you pretending I don't grasp the point when I've shown you I do?

stop deflecting form the failure of your post. Nearly all the pundits thought ali would lose to foreman, and they are not fools..so time you admit you are wrong to call dino one if he'd picked ali.

please focus on the point in hand in your reply instead of going off on a tangent again. t

 

Hagler of course is truly elite competition and I'd like to see Golovkin against better competition before I say anything here. A fight against Canelo, who I see as really good fighter but not against movers, would probably answer some still unanswered question.

Tbh, though, I don't think Hagler beat any outstanding MWs either, but still a better crop.

 

Sure. I don't see GGG getting obliterated against RJJ, Hagler, SRR or Fitz. He possibly loses against every one but he's competitive throughout. His power alone keeps him in the conversation. I feel he should test himself against the elite reigning at the higher weights.

After the portion you replied to I did post this tidbit... "In any case he's there to be hit and it could prove disastrous against guys like McClellan, Benn, Jackson, Barkley, McCallum, Toney, Hopkins, RJJ and the rest of that loaded early 90's division."

I also wrote that the current Middleweight scene is horrendous with part timers like Sergio Martinez, Cotto and Canelo holding the lineal championship.

The way GGG has consistently cut through this division is impressive, and this is coming from someone who doesn't like his smug and pompous post fight taunts.

Some of that 90's bunch I listed above could possibly slip up and take a loss against GGG's competition. Does Dave Tiberi even last 6 rounds against GGG?

 

Where do you make such a comment ? He never fought at 154 in his career ..

 

Lol why are you trying to narrow his weak career down to 4 years? He was who he was his entire career and is known for 1 thing and 1 thing only, beating Hagler.

 

Yeah that doesn't mean anything, his body is much more similar in size to career 154s than it is to career 160.

 

Except thatvhevfoughtbalmost his entire career between 159 and 160. Otherwise your right.

 

How? Because of his height? Hagler was a perfect 160 lb body. 154 would have been too skinny and 175 too bulky. Not all body types are the same. By what your saying then Thomas Hearns is a natural cruiserweight.

 

My OCD was killing me MM

 

You're utterly hopeless, lad.

And going round in circles.

Please show me where I called Dino (or anyone, for that matter) , a fool or an idiot.

There's good chap.

 

I'm not narrowing his career down. I am suggesting a period in which I think Monroe would have been at his best - it's not an uncommon thing to do when proposing a speculative match-up. What don't you get about that?

You are effectively stating that Monroe never learned anything or gained in experience, from his debut, until his retirement. This is nonsense from you, which is becoming a common occurrence with your lines of argument.

I'm guessing that you are just being deliberately obtuse, in order to distract from your initial, over-the-top, inaccurate and yet self-righteous response, to what was and remains a valid claim. It's that or you are genuinely afflicted.


If the mid-70s Monroe were around today and lined up for a challenge to Golovkin, he would be the best opponent Golovkin has faced to date.

Not that far-fetched, when you consider most people would have Lemieux as Golovkin's best win, up until now.

And, quite frankly, all you have managed to put up in rebuttal to this is misinformation about Monroe's record and an unfathomable comparison between Lajuan Simon and Monroe.

As alluded to earlier, you make no sense (much like your 'Hagler's a natural Light Middleweight' argument). It seems, such is your extreme feeling for Golovkin, you are incapable of forming objective comment. Moreover, you cannot bring yourself to admit your mistakes, following your compulsion to make crass statements.

For example, I'm sure National Boxing Champions, from all over the world, will be glad to hear that their title makes them no more than a "club fighter", according to you.