Marvin Hagler vs Gennady Golovkin At MW

The more I see of GGG the more I see him handling his own against any Middleweight in history. However, his competition hasn't been the best but to be able to cut through them like a buzzsaw should say something.

I'm one of those who feels GGG gets hit way too much and against Rosado he bled a bit too much for my liking. Maybe it's the white skin that's prone to crack and bleed like sangria. In any case he's there to be hit and it could prove disastrous against guys like McClellan, Benn, Jackson, Barkley, McCallum, Toney, Hopkins, RJJ and the rest of that loaded early 90's division. But he holds his own and may be the Great White Russian Hope if he was around in the early 90's.

GGG was born 20 years too late.

 

uhuh u see him holding his own against Jones jnr, Hagler, Bob Fitz, Ray Rob etcbased on which fight exactly... koing post prime bit part titlist Danny gealer? or stopping wWW kell Lemon Brook.

please be specific cheers mate.

 

Didn't Tommy Hears hurt Hagler in their brief encounter? GGG hits harder than Hearns. Which fight did Hagler fight who hit harder to the head or body? None. Hagler had a chance to move up for big fights at light heavy, he knew better.

I'm not saying Hagler wasn't durable He was. But when would be fighting the best punching middle, perhaps ever.

GGG has never been down or hurt. Ever. I'd say his chin is better, and he's got a good jab too.

 

What do you call getting hurt? How was Hagler hurt? If Hagler was hurt by Hearns, what did it do for Hearns chances in their fight?

Arguable - and I don't quite know what you base that on. Has Golovkin KO'd/TKO'd any genuine Light Heavyweights recently?

Again, debatable.

Despite being irrelevant to this debate, you don't see Golovkin heading north, either, do you?

More hyperbolic speculation about Golovkin's power. Brook must have the most solid chin in Boxing's Welterweight, Light Middleweight and Middleweight division histories then.

He's never fought an elite caliber middleweight - So, just how far does this information really go to making his case?

 

I knew nostalgia could twist reality, but I hadn't heard that it could make peoples bones stronger. SRL was 140lb fighter, If GGG Walked through SRL and pounded on him for several rounds, it would end in a stoppage with SRL bieng badly beaten up.

 

What reality are you talking about:-

- The one where Golovkin walks through ATG’s in your mind’s eye?

Or...

- The actual reality of the point I was making, which is that Golovkin hasn’t beaten a single elite-level opponent (and certainly not one having anything remotely close to Ray Leonard’s abilities)? Nostalgia doesn’t twist that reality. It’s just a plain fact.

I think Fan-Boy-Ism is twisting your reality, chap. You might want to get that seen to.

 

There's more than a few past elite level middleweights with KO power and chin that cut through GGG's oposition with similar if not better devistation. Nigel Benn and Gman Mcclellan could have took out Golovkin's best opposition earlier imo. Even Iran Barkley would be seen as some kind of middleweight freak force of nature facing the guy's Golovkin has in his pro career.

Just imagining what Toney, RJJ, and Steele would have done to that lot.

 

Here is my reality, I won my first Golden Gloves in 1972, I beat the Canadian National Champion when I was 16 ( He was 26), I coached and ran a boxing club for exactly 14yrs. I can tell you that the kids coming through the ranks today have a lot more training than we did.

 

its a boxing fight not a dance. u expect people not to get hit?

 

You should give yourself a big self-congratulatory pat on the back (or perhaps you just did). Nice way to divert attention from the absurdity of your initial claim.

That aside, I'm not entirely sure what your point is and/or how it relates to this discussion. Your view on the amount of training that kids are getting today is a generalization and somewhat moot. It has nothing to do with your claims about the specific Boxers involved here or your idea that Golovkin would walk through Leonard and break his face.

The fact remains that Golovkin has not faced a single elite opponent, during his career, and neither your past exploits nor the amount of training the kids coming through the ranks today are getting is changing that.

 

Here is my point, I competed in the 70's without a conditioning coach, a strength coach, a dietary coach, and I did it all without any clue as to how it should be done. When I was fighting, training wasn't a science like it is today. Today's fighters have much better tools, much better methods, and we get to study technique like we couldn't have imagined back then. Golovkin comes from a newer age, an age where training has made huge advancements. There is nothing Sugar Ray Leonard or Hagler did back then - that Golovkin or any of today's top fighters hasn't seen. Today's fighters know so much more than what we did back then, and the level of competition is much higher.

To explain it differently - If Hagler was born again in 1998, He would still become a top fighter today, because that is what he was driven to become, but he would have boxed circles around the old version.

 

With all of the advance training techniques in place today, GGG is still slow and robotic.

 

Nah, there was much more talent in Haglers era. This era has advanced in sports science but that's about it. This is an extremely watered down era. Advances in sports science doesn't mean **** if the fighters using these advances aren't that talented or arnt getting taught techniques that made past fighters so brilliant.

 

Please leave this forum...

 

Yeah, like these guys are inferior to today's fighters.

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