Marvin Hagler vs. Jack Johnson

Look up the weights of Johnson's, Jeffries', and Dempsey's key opponents. Compare that to those of, say, Patterson's, Louis', Ali's or Lennox's.

Not ranked above their bigger counterparts, unless said bigger boys are so small in numbers and thus devoid of talent that the middleweights and lightheavyweights are better. Jack Johnson weighed around 200lbs for most of his fights, yet he was dubbed The Galveston Giant. Can you imagine a guy smaller than David Haye being called a giant today?

 

I think Hagler takes a decision over 15.

He would out-athlete and out-modern him.

 

PP...thank you for being you...in this thread.

 

Everyone knows the saying a great big man beats a great little one. Well it applies here perfectly.

 

Are we seriously comparing Langford and Hagler head to head? Forget Jack Johnson, he would KTFO Hagler at some point in the fight.

I would be quite surprised if Hagler saw the 12th round. He has a granite chin but every chin has a limit, and it won't stand a man who hits much harder than anyone he ever faced.

P4P Langford ranks higher than Hagler. How in the hell can you compare them at the same weight considering Langford was bigger? Or are you talking about 18 year old Sam Langford?

 

Marvin takes a beating

 

Some people are still in denial about the consequences, and believe that the magic 180lbs heavyweight champion of the world hasn't gone instinct, just been in hibernation for the last 60 years.

Yep, there are always a few exceptions. Exceptions that are hardly convincing in this case. Spinks impressed by beating an old Holmes, but lost the rematch by any fair account. Next he was wiped away in 90 seconds by a real HW hitter. Patterson suffered the same fate against Liston - twice. Frazier absolutely demolished Foster, one of the best LHWs ever. Compare this to how easily Tunney dominated Dempsey twice, 167lbs Fitz beating the crap out of Jeffries until succumbing to the size difference, Johnson losing to 180lbs Hart, etc etc.

By the way, last time I checked, Byrd weighed as much as Jack Johnson (the giant) for most of his fights.

By any account I've read, Johnson was imposing in more than one way. He'd be one of the more interesting former champs to meet in a pub.

 

Hagler was surpisingly compact for a middleweight, I know because I stood along side him and I'm 175, I give the great Marvin no chance against Johnson, just too small, Jack would hammer him with jabs and uppercuts coming in, and would finish ugly.

 

I find the thread amusing.

Hagler would not even consider getting into the ring with 173 pound Michael Spinks in their primes saying he was a middleweight ... A 205 pound JOhnson, highly skilled for any era, would defeat Marvin easily.

 

fantasy fights like this make no sense. Johnson would be way too strong and big for Marvin..would waltz him around the ring with ease before dispatching him in the 10th or even before that. I even think that Jack would toy with him before doing so.

 

I don't fancy any fight between Hagler and any lightheavy or heavy...middleweight was his ideal territory and he was smart enough to stay in that division.