Marvin Hagler vs. Jack Johnson

SHOW ME PROOF OF THIS, and stop lying and guessing!

And so I have I. Some reads say Jeanette won the first round, and Johnson fired multiple low blows to earn the DQ. Deal with it.

Why because he says he was in the 160 pound range when he last meet Johnson?

Just like Johnson got pawned by Choynski, and had to settle for a draw vs O'Brien? Hagler is far more skilled than Ketchel was.

 

Johnson scaled 168lbs against Jim McCormick on the 20th of April 1900. He fought Choynsky on the 25th of Feb 1901 , 10 months later, I have been open handed and allowed he may have added 4 pounds in weight .

It really is funny that you of all people should ask for proof, you who have never provided a primary source for any of you outrageous assertions ,nor responded to any multiple requests for them from posters. McGrain, Donnellon,Klompton, and myself, are still waiting for primary sources for several of your bull**** statements .

Show a primary source that states Jeannette won the first round in his dsq win over Johnson.
Show a primary source that states Johnson landed multiple low blows on Jeannette.
Show a primary source that shows Jeannette scaled in the 160lbs range during these fights with Johnson.
"when he last meet Johnson" How many times must I tell you, it is MET!
N.B. Jeannette's account ,[given when he was trying to drum up interest for another fight with Johnson ,]is NOT a primary source.

Johnson did not, "have to settle for a draw ," against O Brien , it was a 6 round No Dec , Johnson did not train for the fight and was on a guarantee, he could not lose his title unless he was kod ,no chance of O Brien, with a 29% ko record, doing that.
Wise up you mug.

" Johnson got PAWNED by Choynsky"! What was he ,a watch? Keep the comedy coming.

 

Choynsky PAWNED him out to the white women at an hourly rate! Or did he mean PORNED!!!

 

J T , you have a dirty mind.

 

Well, what else could it be

 

Marvin is one of my all time favourites and I grew up reading about the great Jack Johnson and admire JJ tremendously too - not just as a fighter but for how he overcame what he had to put up with.

The questions I think are always relevant when discussing fantasy bouts between guys who fought 60, 70 or 80 years apart is - which set of rules are we using...how many rounds...and particularly in this case, what size gloves? The tiny gloves used in JJ's day would test MMH's granite MIDDLEWEIGHT chin like never before.

As to the match, I really can only see Johnson winning this. MMH was a great, great all round fighter, one of THE best middles ever, but Johnson was great too, who looks very strong on the limited videos I've seen. To have any chance, MMH would have to move, move and move again, to take JJ's superior physical strength out of the equation - but I can't see MMH staying away for even as long as 12 rounds...JJ was very clever. If MMH stays at close quarters, JJ's strength would be too much too. JJ would hold him, manouvere MMH into position to catch him with hard shots.

JJ just too big for MMH, imo.

P4P? Now that's a different question...MMH for me in that case, though not by much.

 

Welcome back JT

They had their moments of glory, but none of them really established themselves for a sustained period of time, and that's my point.

So what you're saying is that without talented big boys in a division, the smaller boxers can take over again?

Well this is somewhat sketchy to compare style-wise, as the whole sport of gloved boxing was in its infancy stages during Jeffries' time.

As for Machen-Liston, this compares poorly to Corbett and Fitz. At 6'0, 192-200lbs, Machen was bigger than said boxers. He was also in his prime, while Corbett hadn't won a fight in five years and Fitzsimmons was under the supermiddleweight limit.

Lastly, Liston still won a UD on all three scorecards despite having 3 points taken for low blows. So even though he never really hurt Machen, he was winning comfortably. Jeffries was hurt by Fitz and didn't come close to having such a margin in rounds by the 12th/10th against Fitz or Corbett.

Probably. A great small fighter can beat a good big fighter. However, what you will not see is a great small fighter beating a great big fighter. There's no way Wlad loses to Calzaghe or Hopkins. And that's my point.

 

You have put forth a solid argument that is difficult to refute.C.P.:good

 

You Jest buddy, you jest

 

Hagler and Ketchel are the two greatest fighters of all time but Johnson's weight gives him the advantage. Only Hagler's cast iron chin and air tight defense save him from being stopped

 

Cheers Chris, good to see you still about. I'm on hols right now so a bit of spare time.