Marvin Hagler vs. Joe Calzaghe, at a catchweight of 165, who wins?

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Hagler never really destroyed anyone of note in 6 rounds, let alone an ATG who never lost, who had great defense, an iron chin and an ability to change up and win fights he looked like he was going to lose early.

 

Joe beats Hagler by UD.

Why? Hagler always had problems with busy fighters, he generally solved these problems by being the better conditioned athlete and taking the opponent down late in the fight as we saw with Mugabi, Roldan and Duran.

Conditioning wise, I've never seen anyone throw as many punches for as long as Joe Calzaghe can against near any fighter, including guys like Hopkins

Hagler is not as fast on his feet nor with his hands as Joe Calzaghe. They've both got rock solid jaws and are both slick, although I think the difference will come down to the fact that Calzaghe would match Hagler on the outside and be too fast for him on the inside.

Lets not make Hagler to be something he wasn't.

 

:huh both are not slick. calzaghe is anything but slick.

 

You'd have to be a complete and utter peon to believe he isn't slick, go and watch him school Hopkins everytime Hopkins tried to throw something after the fourth round.

Joe makes more mistakes than most guys with his skillset, because he takes risks as he did against Kessler and Lacy, even Hopkins - he likes to entertain.

But in pure boxing mode? Go look at him out jab Kessler with ease or land combinations on B-Hop anytime B-Hop came out of his shell defense to try to mount some aggression after the initial rounds.

 

calzaghe has one of the worst resumes as an ATG.

 

I agree, but hardly his fault when Ottke and RJJ both refused to fight him and BHop pulled out after initially agreeing to fight him.

His resume could improve dramatically if Kessler has the type of career some expect him to have and given time, people will look back on him with fonder eyes, just as they do now with 1970s and 80s fighters.

 

Jones would have systematically broken him down in a complete romp. I don't see anything that Calzaghe possessed that would have presented a serious problem for a prime Jones. Calzaghe would have clobbered Ottke without a doubt.

 

Hagler has greats on his resume, Calzaghe squeaked past Hopkins. Anyway Calzaghe would not of made 165lbs 10 years ago!

 

I think both would struggle out of those weights, Joe coming down and Marv going up.

I'll say a draw, but put Calzaghe's style and attributes into a natural 160-lber and Hagler wins on pts.

 

I think the older busier Calzaghe who used angles better would have the best shot. The wilder less experienced Calzaghe had much better power when his hands weren't shot but he was careless at times and less refined, he would get into too many careless exchanges.

50/50 fight with the Calzaghe that fought Lacy. It would depend on how well Hagler carried that little bit of extra weight. If Calzaghe got careless and found himself on the canvas early then he would have trouble finding enough rounds to win it.

 

Calzaghe would have beaten Hagler. I hate to say that, but...........

 

Again, you can't think about this fight without thinking about the weight.

Hagler weiged in same day, his entire career. And Came into the ring at 164-165.

If we made the catchweight 165 and previous day weigh-in (though it's doubtful Joe could make 165. He usually struggled to make 168 ), then Joe comes into the Ring around 178. Presumably Hagler comes in around the same.

This is around Joe's usual fighting weight and about 14 lbs above Hagler's customary weight.

(Hagler was asked about fighting at just that weight for Spinks title and was never interested in the least).

With the weight disparity and the fact that both fighters were very good, I would say that Hagler would clearly have his work cut out for him.

 

The question here is this: Can Calzaghe fight on his bike? Because if he decides to exchange, Hagler will get the better of him EVERY time - he's stronger, tougher and meaner. Calzaghe would have to pop in and out. Problem is, he's not going to do it as well as Ray Leonard. Hagler UD.

 

Hagler was also unaffected by Leonard's slaps and they still backed him up when he had Leonard on the ropes. Like Kessler that after fighting Joe "if he hits you 20 times at once, it confuses you" I don't think Hagler would like Joe's style and while Joe can be knocked down when he is off balance, he was never hurt against bigger guys than Hagler fought.

It might come down to how the judges scorethe fight, as it did in Leonard Hagler. Do they emphaisze volume or the harder punches?

 

Disagree. His speed and punch volume couldvery well confuse Hagler. If you watch Leonard - Hagler, you will see that Leonard did not just pop in and out. Sometimes, Hagler had Leonard on the ropes, right where he wanted him and Leonard was firing back with his flurries and interrupting Halger's assault effectively. Besides, Joe has a serious height advantage, so it is more that Hagler has to close the distance.