Marvin Hagler vs. Joe Calzaghe

Jones was nowhere near his biggest win. Not even arguable.

 

Yet he did fight at 175.

 

one of the couple would be the cheating low blow he gave hopkins in order to stop 40something hopkins knocking joe the fcuk out in round 1.

lets face it, without using that cheat, he'd have picked up his first career loss, to a 40something.

 

Calzaghe - Hopkins was a close fight that could have gone either way. Hopkins was holding a lot because he could not go Calzaghe's pace. Had it been a younger Hopkins he likely would have won.

 

no, not likely, a ded cert.

Thats why joe took the fight, he knew that he could outgass a 40something.

Even against a 40something, joe had to cheat with a low blow to stop getting knocked clean out by hopkins in round 1.

 

LET THE BUTTHURT FLOW, HEROL!!!

 

Calzaghe one of the most overrated guys on here.

 

Hagler runs over Joe. Prime for prime people forget how fluid a boxer Hagler was.

 

I'm not going anywhere near your butt, deal with it yourself like a grown man.

why you gotta post your bowel issues on a boxing thread odd man. stop spoiling a brit hero joe cal thread. now back to boxing.

 

tl,dr

 

I would give Hagler the edge in most middleweight fantasy matchups. But to completely dismiss the chances of men like Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones or James Toney as being potentially problematic is short sited in my opinion. Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran were well past their primes and each ascending from lower weight classes when they either troubled or beat him.. Antuofirmo fought him to a draw. Juan Roldan who was a decent contender but with no ATG value decked him. Mugabi gave him hell for 11 rounds. Of course I realize that we can't draw clad iron conclusions by cherry picking examples and in truth I know Marvin was past his best for a couple of the bouts mentioned above. But nevertheless, like all fighters he had his vulnerabilities and prime champions like Jones, Toney, and Calzaghe who were also natural middles and super middles who proved their valor at light heavyweight or higher could have possibly taken advantage of those.

 

Prime Roy Jones Jr. is certainly a formidable match for Hagler.
There's no doubt about.
I don't think Calzaghe is in that class though. I don't think many people would put Calzaghe in that class.

 

And that's a reasonable perspective. I too would favor Hagler over Calzaghe. Just as long as one doesn't totally dismiss the possibility that he might prove formidable.

 

I'd favor a prime Hagler circa 1981-1983.

I think most people got an idea on his level of determination and will to win with his devastating KO of Hearns (although that was a little bit outside of his true prime IMO.) After he was robbed against Antefuermo, he had this incessant will to win attitude that I haven't really seen from other fighters.

Someone stated his boxing skills are overrated. That couldn't be further from the truth. He was a technically sound fighter who just so happened to be able to bang with the best of them.

 

I think the size difference might be a little underestimated. Hagler mostly fought with same day weigh ins if I'm not mistaken, meaning Calzaghe might've typically fought with 15- 20 pounds on Hagler .