Marvin Hagler vs Roy Jones - catchweight of 164lbs

Jones wins 9 rounds to 3. Hagler's predicatable defense will make it easy for Jones to tee off pot shots on him, and get out before Hagler can counter. Hagler's strength and chin keep him in it, and he would cause problems with pressure and his own jab and 1-2, and his bodywork. But for the main part Hagler is getting a boxing lesson here and having problems landing.

Having said this, Hagler hasn't faced a puncher of Jones magnitude, neither has he faced someone that will tag him as cleanly and frequently. Its a possibility Hagler gets stopped, Jones destroyed some very very durable fighters

 

At this weight I would pick Jones via decision, like 8-4.

 

You knew it was coming, but you couldn't stop it, much like a leaping left hook from Jones

Jones wins at 160 too, he's still the same fighter. As long as Jones isn't dead at the weight, which he shouldn't be considering he's an ex 154lber as a 20yo, if hes slightly tight at the weight give hagler an extra round or 2

Jones was probably a bit tight against Tate, who he ko'd in 2 and had just gone 12 with Julian Jackson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GvJjMawMtA

Other Jones 160 fights

Wolfe (who a year before went 12 with Toney)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=63kNg_NkuWk

3 Months after beating Hopkins at 165 against Nigel BEnn conquerer Malinga

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=neNo3hRRDT0

 

Jones about 8-4 for me.

 

Jones via UD.....8-4 or 9-3

 

Jones wins this one fairly easily.

 

Why does it have to be at a catchweight? Jones was just fine at 160, there were no struggles or issues with weight unlike any other champion who cuts, which is all of them. He moved up because he fit higher weights as well, not because 160 was a particularly painful struggle that negatively affected his performance. Hagler on the other hand never fought above 160, and even came in under the limit at times.

What does 4 pounds matter, honestly? Are we insinuating that Jones would be in between the effectiveness he showed at 160 and 168? That's pretty absurd the way I see it, and it makes no real difference at 160 aside from being a possible detriment to Hagler any higher, though I doubt 4 pounds would be that big an issue, as much as people like to make it out to be.

At MW I consider it basically a 50/50 matchup.

 

No.

 

Although Jones was a tremendous talent, and arguably has a slight edge above 160, I just don't think any middleweight or supermiddleweight in history beats Hagler "fairly easily". That's just too dismissive of a definite top 5 middle of all time.

 

Amen. Nobody ever beat Hagler fairly easily so I don't know how you could speculate anybody would.

 

Yes, but if that Jones is your entire perception of a MW Jones you need to watch more footage. That was a relatively green Jones tight for his first ever shot at a world title, not near his prime which he'd reach later in his MW reign into SMW. His fight with Toney was his first as a 168 pounder, and it's often considered his best performance. Are we really to believe he really only reached his peak at 168 considering that was just after his MW run?