Marvin Hagler vs Roy Jones, Jr @ 160

Stop crying, child!!

Beating a drained Toney, at 168, is not better than anything Hagler achieved at 160, is it?

The Jones/Hopkins bout was nothing to get worked up about. It was compared with, at the time, watching ‘Congressman argue on C-Span’.

Hardly a masterclass from either fighter.

 

Ray's speed would always have been an issue for Marvin, and he was past his peak too.

He hadn't even fought for over 3 years.

Hagler wasn't virtually unbeatable.

 

Hagler was at least as mobile as Jones Jr., in my opinion.

 

Another poor post.

Not many fighters could land cleanly on Roy for 15 years, not just at 160.

Roy looked spectacular against fighters who were way above average.

He knocked out Montell Griffin with a lead uppercut in under 3 mins. A Montell Griffin who had 2 very close, technical fights with James Toney.

He's the only person who ever knocked out Virgil Hill, and he did it in under 5 rounds.

He toyed with Reggie Johnson in a way that nobody else ever did.

He beat John Ruiz with easier than other world class HW's did.

Yes, Toney was drained, but he was coming off of knockouts over Tim Littles and Charles Williams.

Roy beat Hopkins easily with only one good hand. And it was nothing like Canelo-Mayweather. Canelo showed Floyd far too much respect and wouldn't pressure him. Different circumstances altogether.

Why don't you put Marvin's best wins under the same microscope.

 

Roy would have had a good chance of beating Marvin.

Why are you implying that it wouldn't have been possible?

 

Great post.

I like Marvin, and he definitely COULD have beaten Roy, but most of these guys are forgetting elements of his career.

 

Come on now.

 

I haven't implied that. You have inferred it.

Anything is possible. But I think it highly unlikely.

 

It was nothing to get excited about the time, as both fighters still had a lot to prove and it was on the undercard of a Riddick Bowe fight.

It's also not seen as a classic, due to the clash of styles that made for a slow paced technical fight, which wasn't exciting to most viewers. But that does not mean it wasn't a highly skilled and significant fight.

That version of Hopkins was clearly a great, world class MW. Sure, he didn't have the resume back then to prove it, but you can watch the fight to see how skilled he was. Hopkins was 28 at the time. And that specific version of Hopkins would be one of the best MW's in the world if he was fighting on today's division. He would also have been one of the best MW's that Marvin would have fought.

Roy was only 24, but he beat him easily with a badly injured right hand.

It was a very significant win.

Nobody else beat Bernard like that until years later.

 

Come on now, what?

Try not to go all 'Roy Boy' on me, please.

 

Really?

You said that not even in an alternative universe would Roy have beaten Marvin.

Highly unlikely?

The same version of Roy who beat Toney weighing 170 plus on fight night, against a 157-160 pound Marvin Hagler?

Roy's speed would have caused Marvin huge trouble.

 

Yeah, it's me who's showing bias, when you're the one who's said:

"Not even in an alternative universe would Roy have beaten Marvin"

"Hagler was at least as mobile as Jones Jr.."

 

Did you even bother to consider the context in which I wrote the above?

In what way is the this^ comment showing bias?

 

Erm, I'll go with the fact that it clearly wasn't true.

Marvin wasn't in any way as mobile as what Roy was.

 

Hagler was at the end of the line when he fought
Leonard. Can't judge him on that one fight, Monroe
Like Hopkins was to Jones when the fought, Hagler
was green, and most feel he actually won the fight
also understand the situation, Monroe was a Philly
fighter, the fight was held in Philly, same with B.Watts,
it wouldn't have been the 1st time a Philly fighter got a dec
when they shouldn't have. Hagler would be different
because in his prime, he was much better than Toney
or Hopkins.
Just because a fighter is a Hall of Fame fighter doesn't
mean they fought like a Hall of Fame fighter every fight
of their career. Their are other factors that should be
considered.