Marvin Hagler vs Roy Jones Jr.

Robbery in my eyes, hagler won!

 

Or a bad test result.

Don't you find it weird that Jones AND Hall got tests results of OBSCENELY high testosterene, which their 2nd tests didn't show and neither one ever tested positive before or since??


That's why they weren't fined, or suspended.


Andro itself doesn't give you more than 3x normal levels. And Jones and Hall had 7X and 10x's.

Come on, the test was a **** up.

Keith

 

If bringing up Jones's chin problems from 2004-on are unfair as he was faded, we should also not act like Hagler was a slow plodder and in his prime against Leonard.

He clearly had slowed down by then. Easier to hit, heavier on his feet, lacked the legs and agility he previously had.

 

those circumstances are strange

how bout Salido testing positive then the next day tested negative and it was made a NC and he lost the belt he just won

did they ever do a 3rd test or anything

 

Excellent point.

That's why you won't here me arguing to far any direction. I pick Jones to win, but that's a 60/40 thing for me. A prime Hagler is tough to keep off, and I may have overplayed the Leonard angle.

Great point.

Keith

 

I don't know too much about that circumstance.

What did he test positive for?

Jones and Hall both tested positive of high levels of testostrene. You can't flush that stuff before a second test. It's a hormone level that stays around.

Keith

 

Hagler beat Leonard or at least drew, in my eyes. Leonard was running from Marvin faster than Amir Khan against Lamont.

Hagler was just way too tough to not finish Roy Jones, I'd say 50% he'd win by KO or TKO, 40% Roy would outpoint him narrowly, 10% a draw or very close decision either way.

Hagler would never get hurt by Roy, but Roy could definitely get hurt by Hagler.

Not sure about a decision for TJJ. Is that Tom Jones Jnr?

 

I pick Jones, but like I said, I argue that call either.


Keith

 

a steroid Nandrolone, i dont think thats something that can get flushed in 1 day

its on the boxrec info for the Guerrero fight

didnt say if there was an appeal or a 3rd test it sounds dicey

 

Nope. Nandro would be around for a few weeks.

Sounds like the same bull****.

The point is that these tests are not failproof. Thus the multiple tests.

If he passed his second test he should be awarded the win.

Keith

 

Depends on the weight class. Hagler would have a shot at 160 but anything else would probably be easy pickings for Jones. I think Roy would probably have been too fast for him even at middleweight.

 

Jones would score heavily at times but if Hearns couldn't really dent Haglers chin for more than a second or two I cant see Jones having much more success.
Hagler would get to him late, he was as close to invulnerable as I've seen in the ring,quick with great combinations and very decent power. I see him overhauling an early Jones lead, trapping him in the corner and stopping with one of his leathal flurries. He'll have to eat a lot of leather to do so however.

 

Again, Hagler fought in the 'day of the fight' weigh-in era. Could Roy have even made 160 with a day-of weigh in? He'd be a rack of bones. Hagler by annihilation.

 

Not to mention the day of 15 round title fights.

Two-way street, though. Jones Jr. more than likely wouldn't have been campaigning for long (if at all) at Middleweight during the era of same day weigh-ins. You put Jones in that era, force him to make the cut, Hagler stretches him. On the flip side, you put Hagler in this era, force him to fight a naturally larger man (something he never contended with), and take away those final championship rounds in which he could've and likely would've thrived against someone like Jones, and it's very possible (and likely, if you ask me) Hagler doesn't find the means to solve the puzzle on the clock. At least not first time 'round.

 

Roy outpoints Hagler.