Marvin Hart vs. Frank Bruno?

Hart was certainly no stranger to the canvas.

 

Neither was Bruno. Sometimes its how you deal with adversity. Hart had much better stamina and the will to win.

 

Bruno was on the canvas 4 times against big punchers Witherspoon ,[ just his gloves touched down,]Tyson x2 , and Bonecrusher all big punchers.

Hart was floored 15 times and by much smaller men. More crap from you.

 

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I didn't say Hart had no chance, I haven't even made a pick.
I just corrected your statement made out of ignorance ,that Bruno had been down anywhere near as many times as Hart.

Hart was floored 15 times ,often by small men that were not even heavyweights , let alone heavies with top power.

Bruno only 4 times against big hitting men well over 200lbs
Hart only got up to win against Kid Carter who was not a top fighter and lost as often as he won.

Hart was floored by Jack Root, who was inside the lhy limit of today.

Can you see Root dropping Bruno?

Hart was floored by light hitting Jack O Brien,again can you see O Brien dropping Bruno?


In a transparent attempt to disparage Jack Johnson you have many times sneeered at Tony Ross and Sandy Ferguson as fighters, yet both floored Hart.
Ross ,had him down and on ***** street when he hit him while he was down and was dsq'd .
Ferguson had him down once, then had him clinging desperately to the ropes to save himself from being floored again.Ferguson was robbed of the decision.
If Ross and Ferguson were so poor how come they came so close to beating Hart ?
There can be only two explanations.
1.They were a deal better than you say
2.Hart was not the good.
Which is it?

 

A lot of folks don't fully understand Hart. I'd like to hear the opinions of those who have read my book: In the Ring With Marvin Hart.

 

Is there any footage of Hart ?

 

havent been here for a while...........but i see nothing has changed. still these idiotic threads about boxing pioneers taking on modern day heavyweights and pretending like they would be competative matchups.

are you guys really this ******ed? its sooooo ****ing funny: The whole world evolves....things are getting better. look at computers. compare a computer from 1984 to a laptop of today. no contest. or look at the field of medecine. compare the level of surgical possibilities from 1913 to those of 2013.

and so on and on .

but in boxing its different! when boxing with gloves first was invented, that is when it was at its highpoint. it was all downhill from there.

at least according to you idiots who still believe a marvin hart could even last a round with a modern heavyweight.

****in pathetic.

 

You're comparing medicine, computers and technology with boxers.
That's ******ed.

I would be inclined to agree to some extent with your general point. But the extremeness of your argument destroyed any sense within it.

 

It is fair to say that he was one of the more misunderstood champions. Even so he was a flash in the pan, and to that extent some of the scepticism surrounding him is justified.

 

Going purely by his record, I'd say he is extremely hard to get a handle on, he walks though Johnson's shots, but goes down from Root's, Ferguson's and O Briens?

 

The thing about Hart is although he could be dropped, he usually got up and punished his foes. Hart and O'Brien fought twice, and both times Hart dropped O'Brien late and had him badly hurt in a mere 6-round bout. Hence, when Hart became champ, O'Brien wanted no part of Hart in a lengthy title fight.

This is a selection from In the Ring With Marvin Hart, regarding the 5th and 6th rounds from their first fight:

In the 5th round, O’Brien landed a hard right to the damaged eye that nearly closed it, and another punch a little later made the blood fly. This aroused Hart’s ire, and he threw caution to the wind, attacking ferociously with right and left swings in rapid succession for the head and body. It required all of O’Brien’s cleverness to stall off Hart’s rushes.

There was a discrepancy in the reporting of the 5th round as to whether or not O’Brien dropped Hart or wrestled him down. The Philadelphia Inquirer said, “The Kentuckian rushed in without paying the slightest regard to Jack’s jabs. In a clinch toward the end of the round Hart was wrestled to the floor. … As soon as he regained his pins, however, he went after O’Brien, and handed two wallops on the latter’s body.”

However, both the Philadelphia Record and Philadelphia Public Ledger differed, saying that O’Brien dropped Hart. The Record said that as soon as O’Brien could steady himself he met the angry Hart with a stiff right on the jaw as he came in, knocking him down. Hart fell on his side, laying there for the count, rising at “9.” They clinched and the bell sounded. The Philadelphian’s friends shouted themselves hoarse during the minute’s rest.

The Ledger agreed that O’Brien decked Hart, but also said that Marvin came back at the end of the round and buckled O’Brien.

In the fifth round Hart was weak from coming in contact with the local man’s stiff punches, and, finding an opening, O’Brien sent in a right hand hook, followed by a straight left, and Hart went to the floor, taking the count. He was perceptibly weak, but just before the gong rang for the end of the round he sent in a right hand punch to the jaw, and O’Brien’s knees bent under him. He held on and did not go down.

The Record said Hart came up for the 6th round as good as ever and went right after O’Brien again with wicked right swings. O’Brien cleverly ducked under the vicious blows and twice countered with a right uppercut to the face. Hart suddenly tried his own uppercut that landed on O’Brien’s chin, and Jack plunged forward and grabbed around Hart’s body trying to prevent himself from going down, but then slipped down to the floor in a sitting position. He got up at 9, but was not quite right when he rose.

Hart sailed in to finish, but Jack grabbed to save himself. O’Brien also landed a hard uppercut and clinched again. Two or three clinches followed and then Jack landed a straight left. Hart smashed in his right to the face and both landed rights. When pushed too hard, O’Brien would hug, and once even had his arm around Hart’s legs. They were hard at it when the bell sounded to end the contest without a formal decision. Both the contestants and Referee Crowhurst presented a gory spectacle.

According to the Inquirer’s version, in the 6th round, Hart anxiously rushed in and swung wildly.

O’Brien could not withstand his boring tactics, and lost his guard just for an instant, when Hart copped him with a short right-hander on the jaw. O’Brien went down, and after struggling to his feet went to hugging. Hart again showed too much anxiety, and instead of steadying himself waiting for the chance to land one good punch, swung both right and left around O’Brien’s body. These body punches evidently hurt O’Brien, who slipped twice, and on both occasions grabbed Hart about the legs. By this time the house was in an uproar, and for the first time in his career O’Brien was hissed by his home admirers. Hart himself was showing the effects of his hard work, and though he hit O’Brien often about the body and sent his head back with straight lefts on several occasions he could not get in the punch that would have secured for him the verdict.

The Ledgerr’s version said O’Brien was still in bad shape to start the 6th round, and made a mistake by taking the fight to Hart. “They fought at a fast pace, and when O’Brien stepped in with a left for the body, Hart met him with another terrific blow, and O’Brien went down.” A counter right uppercut had dropped him. O’Brien survived by holding and moving. Hart was too anxious and wild, and O’Brien narrowly escaped defeat.

 

The 46-2-3 Root, who was considered a masterful boxer/puncher, dropped Hart in the 7th round with a perfectly timed right. But Hart KO'd Root in the 12th with a single body shot.

Ferguson dropped Hart early as well, but Hart's nonstop aggressive boring in tactics with his two-fisted attack led to him earning the decision, although many thought Ferguson's good boxing should have earned him a draw.

Ferguson was better than he was given credit for. Even Jack Johnson said so.

Ross was a strong and solid fighter too. Believe me, they were trying to get Johnson beat. They weren't throwing stiffs at him. They felt Ross would at least provide some stiff competition. After all, he had gone 13 with Hart and had decked Marvin (who was on the down slide at that point - Hart would only fight twice more), and Ross had gone 10 with Kaufman, who was a big strong puncher.

 

A 6'3 230 pound Bruno beats a below 6ft under 200 pound Hart by KO.

Hart was not a exactly a defensive genius, he did not possess dynamite in either hand, and lets not forget he was beaten for the title by a 5'7 inch light heavyweight, he would not have been seen as a threat by Bruno, so Bruno would have steamrollered him.

Bruno lacked stamina and nous if tagged, but he was very heavy handed and Mr Hart would have been KO'd in quick time.