Marvin Hart vs. Frank Bruno?

Selective recall. Clever against who? Certainly not Johnson or Burns. What quality heavyweights did he KO with this stiff punch? Stiff against middleweights and light heavyweights?

As far as the Johnson match goes, I take two things from it. Johnson was notoriously arrogant and chose to only fight as hard as he had to. This was demonstrated through out his entire career. He was a very intelligent and complex man fighting in an era of terrible racial hatred and he simply was not wired to deal with it in a conventional manner. This back fired against Hart likely on a night when Hart fought the fight of his life. Almost no one who reviewed the fight said Hart out punched Jack but was aggressive, if not effectively aggressive. This plus Johnson fighting at his slow pace resulted in a decision based on emotion not merit.

 

That's my take, Hart probably had a Buster Douglas night and Johnson was complacent.

Siler the top referee called the decision"a very strange one". Bill Naughton ,editor of the Police Gazette said Johnson was robbed.
Creggains was not one of the top flight referees he only got the gig because he was also the promoter,its possible he had an eye on the drawing powers of a white heavyweight in Hart .

 

Saltine or Ritz, is my solution. Frank Bruno's jab was a real Saltine or Ritz when it was on.

I've also devised clever strategies like schmex, schmekistani, schmuck (even though that one gets confusing, because it's also a real word) and, of course, my favourite: schmunt. As in ''Zakman is a real schmunt for deleting my third and most poignant Chisora/Gerber thread, decrying the referee for his early stoppage". So, feel free to use any of these, in this, the land of shadows.

 

Good idea! "Ritzy" works for me.

Hmmm.... Would poon get through the censor, tang, Dick, ***** or snapper? Dong? [Dong Prickell or Dickell, anybody?]

 

Adam does not think Hart was clearly robbed. I re-posted a boxing Illustrated Article that quoted Johnson who said Hart whipped him.

It could have been a styles thing between Hart and Johnson. Johnson was a lower risk, low out put type of puncher without a lot of power. Hart was a high volume puncher, with more power. Johnson was not defiant in the ring that day. He didn't want to open up, and for good reason even though his corner in fact was yelling at him to do more fighting.


In boxing, the guy who lands a lot more in a decision fight that has no knockdowns almost always wins. This is why I felt Johnson's style would not work today in a previous thread. The short heavies without a lot of power and who do not throw a lot of punches do match up to the divison's best today.


How would Bruno look 100 years ago? A little smaller for sure. You could say Hart would be a little bigger if he was around 100 years later.


I see paths of victory for both men. Under 10, give me Bruno, but from rounds 11-15 Hart has a real chance.

 

Just say you brought up some points using facts and examples, and my hand is weaker because it. If you gave some credit from time to time, and stopped playing double standards I would not be so hard on you.

 

Showing your age maybe. In my neck of the woods people seem to have all but forgotten snapper describing a real Ritzy of a schmunt. :hey

 

Ahh, I see McVey brought this up years ago... Hope he's doing well.

Bruno by stoppage.