Masterful HOPKINS stuns PAVLIK - Poll results & photos & post-fight video

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    According to ESPN, the deal is almost done, so let's get down to the facts quickly:

    - Date: October 18
    - TV: HBO PPV
    - Venue: Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City
    - Weight: 170 lbs

    I think it's a very good and a pretty bad fight at the same time. It's good because 2 P4P-ers will fight, Hopkins is a lot bigger name than we've expected for Pavlik and it's a real test for the young fighter. But it's gonna be as bad as any Bernard Hopkins fight, 170 favors him, the style heavily favors him and if Hopkins wins (which I for myself expect), it KO's the excitement for the Pavlik-Calzaghe or the Pavlik-Abraham fights - Kelly MUST win this one, and win big - and that's what Calzaghe failed to do, even if he's got the win.
     
    BigBone, Jul 18, 2008
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Forget winning big. Pavlik just needs to get by Hopkins. I don't consider that Pavlik will be capable of proving his superiority, so he just needs rounds in the bank.

    That is all.
     
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  3. ScouseLad

    ScouseLad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hope Pavlik likes being cuddled!
     
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  4. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One thing is sure though, Pavlik ain't going to knock Bernard out. At best he can get an UD in a close fight (just like everybody who won against Hopkins).
     
    jyuza, Jul 18, 2008
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  5. Chileno606

    Chileno606 Gentleman & Scholar Full Member

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    I think HBO believes Pavlik can win this big and then sell big fights with Calz and Abe
     
    Chileno606, Jul 18, 2008
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  6. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    booooooooooring.
     
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  7. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    pav aint going to be able to knock him out.so it goes to points or hopkins knocking pav out.i think points.i will have to favor hopkins.he wont want to lose to two white boys in a row.lol.
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    treva1977, Jul 18, 2008
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  8. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    man if hops pull this off which i think he can his late career resume post 40 is outstanding...
    taylor x2
    tarver
    wright
    calzaghe
    pavlik
    thats unreal and you could make a case that he hasnt lost any of them...by my scores he's 4-0-1
     
    daredevil1989, Jul 18, 2008
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  9. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    until what age does hopkins want to fight? i can't decide on the winner yet since pavlik is going up on weight (10 lbs at that) and while bhop might own the weight, he doesn't have the age.
     
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  10. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Pavlik doesn't knock BHop out then it will be a boring, ugly fight and will do nothing but hurt Pavlik's reputation. After Kessler, Calzaghe was riding high off of a beautiful victory. After Bernard he is perceived as boring and ineffectual. Calzaghe is the same fighter he always was and is being judged strictly based on the kind of fight Hopkins wanted. Nobody wins against Hopkins, everybody loses. Even if you get the W.
     
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  11. adamsutherland

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    i cant see pavlik winning this, hopkins ud
     
    adamsutherland, Jul 18, 2008
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  12. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    pavlik is an easier style than calzaghes...calzaghe fights at a much higher tempo and punches from different angles pavliks more of a 1-2 fighter easier for bernard to figure out
     
    daredevil1989, Jul 18, 2008
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  13. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Just the fact the we still think a 40 something can beat a 20 something...
    Proves to eveyone what Bernard Hopkins is made of in the ring.
    [Hopkins by UD]
     
    Hatesrats, Jul 18, 2008
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  14. McGrain

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    Good observations, all correct.

    Here's the thing though - Pavlik hits very hard, he is a hear-breaker and a hurtful puncher. If Hopkins can't consistantly make proper angles of the line, he is going to be getting hurt. At his age, can he proccess that hurt?

    Hopkins is going to fall off after about 5 rounds. Can he still bank rounds after that, and how many of the first 5 will Pavlik have banked on the work-rate and aggression?

    I haven't considered this one properly yet, but my knee-jerk is that Hopkins losses another close decision (I had Calzaghe up by a point).
     
    McGrain, Jul 18, 2008
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  15. berserkafied

    berserkafied Active Member Full Member

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    This will be a tricky fight for Pavlik, will he be technically good enough to adapt to Bernard's style? - Time will tell
     
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