Masterful HOPKINS stuns PAVLIK - Poll results & photos & post-fight video

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  1. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    Interesting fight. Pavlik is surely gonna trouble B-Hop with his pressure and workrate. I think that’s the key for him in order to beat the guy. I think Kelly’s got an underrated sense of distance as well where he’s pretty good at throwing his straight shots off at a certain distance where he would get the most power from and have perfect leverage. That’s one of the reasons I love watching the guy, his straight right is very simple but a thing of beauty. Very well thrown and good technique. He’s also got age in his side.

    As for B-hop, he’s got his own advantages namely his better footwork, ring generalship, a very good counter-puncher, and is great at setting his own pace not to mention he’s very wily, clever and is extremely good at offsetting his opponents and frustrating them by clinching at the right damn time effectively making them ineffective in setting up their offense and get into a rhythm. And like Kelly, he’s also got a great sense of distance in landing that sneaky right hand of his which can land at any angle at any give time. Honestly he’s a master.

    As to who will win the fight, logic tells me that Kelly should win this not only because he’s very good but also because he’s simply the younger fighter. But something tells me that B-hop still got it in him to make this fight his. I think B-Hop’s awkwardness is gonna confuse Kelly, B-Hop’s straight right will constantly land on him and I can see B-Hop doing to Kelly what he did to Joe, namely not allowing Kelly to get his shots off that much by constantly moving, clinching and countering him before he even gets his shots off.

    Joe was able to squeek by B-Hop IMO because 1) he had blinding hand speed and 2.) he had an arsenal of punches that he can use. Kelly’s decently fast, but obviously not as fast as Joe and aside from his 1-2 combo, he doesn’t have any other punches that stand out much. And while his 1-2 combo is a beauty to watch, the fact is B-Hop has already had experience fighting a lot of fighters who uses the same type of combo and dismantled it. Now as Kelly is one the best fighters on the planet and B-Hop is getting on in years, I won’t expect B-Hop to completely neutralize that jab and straight right combo of Kelly but I do expect him to atleast limit its effectiveness just enough for B-Hop to squeek by a win. Limit that combo and I think it disrupts Kelly’s offense and also affect him mentally.

    Bare in mind though that I wouldn’t be surprised if Kelly does win simply because his pressure and workrate are top notch, and also because of B-Hop’s rapidly decreasing stamina. But I just think B-Hop still has this one great performance in him and beats Kelly by SD.
     
  2. divac

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    Obviously, any fighter that going to come with it with power, is going to expose himself to get hit some.....thats only logical.

    We do disagree with Hopkins stamina issues.......
    .....the man in both Taylor fights had a **** poor workrate through the first half of both fights......you dont win fights with that poor a workrate, I dont care how good you are defensively.

    Taylor in both his fights with Hopkins and his rematch with Pavlik has showed that he slows his workrate down significantly down the stretch of the fight.
    Pavlik has not shown these kind of tendencies, would should be of concern if you're Bernard Hopkins.

    Hopkins is going to have to be very crafty, which goes without saying.
    Personally, I can only see Hopkins winning the fight in one specific way, and thats to dominate Pavlik with the jab, and befuddle Pavlik through it in cruising to a UD easy victory.

    The jab imo will be the key. It Hopkins can dominate with it, he wins.
    If he does'nt seperate himself from Pavlik and Pavlik is able to jab with Hopkins......then same old Hopkins as the old man once again fights in survival mode just to cross the finish line.

    Sorry folks, but I'm not fooled by footwork shuffling, smiling, and eye twitching and popping as if too show he's doing something boxistically.
    Thats not of any substance and it does nothing for me as far as gaining points for generalship or style points on my scorecard.
    It might create an illusion to others, but it does nothing for me.

    Substance over style is how I score fights, and how fights should be scored!
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is a master of slipping the jab and we're yet to see what happens if someone takes away the punch with Kelly sets up everything. Also, Pavlik, a huge physical force, was able to fight his fight and dictate the pace in all his previous fights. Look at Miranda or the first Taylor fight - he dominated the very next round after he was badly knocked down. That's something special. Pavlik's best weapon is his determination turned into a very effective jab-based strategy. But as it helped him to overcome difficult moments, he doesn't have the experience of NOT being able to just control the fight. What happens if Hopkins breaks his rhythm and balance?

    I say Pavlik is more than a jab-based straight puncher, but how good is he without it is a critical question as I expect Hopkins to take the jab away.



    Also, back to Hopkins' stamina. I could be wrong, but I think is a pretty bad interpretation of his last fight that Bernard doesn't have the stamina anymore.

    It's same thing as the Calzaghe critique: you simply can't say Joe is over the hill because he had a close one with Bernard and looked bad - as Hopkins ALWAYS makes you look bad! Joe didn't became an old man overnight, neither Nard. So, you just simply can't say Hopkins doesn't have the stamina anymore as he fought THE fighter with the best stamina, punch output, speed and energy level combined, also one who 'secretly' adjusted to Bernard's style - so simply Hopkins became ineffective and had to spoil. Simply put, EVERYONE looks in bad shape compared to Calzaghe as everyone looks amateur in a Hopkins fight... that's something people really have to learn...

    Also Hopkins threw 640 punches in the Winky fight, right before he fought Calzaghe. When it is important, 43 or not, Hopkins can throw a lot. He also won that fight late, landing crisp right hand shots. And Winky's stamina wasn't bad at all. You have to understand that for Calzaghe-Jones and Hopkins-Pavlik, the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight has nothing to add... It was just an awkward fight and it's pretty interesting how everyone is making conclusions based on that. You just simply can't. Not the right fight. If you make conclusions on the Kessler and Winky fights, you get a whole different story.
     
  4. skipdog

    skipdog Active Member Full Member

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    I went Hopkins points. Partly because Im rooting for him. Pretty much my 2 favorite fighters..
     
  5. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    I'll say it once more . . . Bhops will move, hold and threw in 10 to 15 punches per round. He is expecting the ref to separate them immediately after every clinch. He'll make each round very hard to score because of his refusal to engage . . . later on . . . he'll cry he's been robbed again. :D :good
     
  6. Morrissey

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    I see Hopkins trying to do what he did to Joe, counterpunching and then hugging, but with Pavlik, who is much younger, more consistent with his attack, and more powerful and active, he has to be ready for a hell of a draining fight.
     
  7. Nigel_Benn

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    I take Kelly by UD but i would never count Hopkins out, Pavliks style is tailor made for him but i think his age and decreasing stamina and workrate are the factors that will work against him. Dont be surprised to see Kelly bang the body i think that is what will win him the fight.
     
  8. Bazooka

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    I dont think Hopkins is going to win this fight at all, I dont see the fight being close at all, Hopkins not only has the age factor not only the lack of work rate issues, But you have to fight to win a fight, and if Hopkins plans on winning he is going to have to throw some shots somewhere along the way, and when he does that is Pavliks opportunity to fire with him.

    Hopkins has one objective in this fight, move! he will not try to win he will simply come to make it through 12 rounds and collect a nice paycheck. its over for Hopkins tomorrow its sad that he took this fight, my hats off to him for showing the heart, but tomorrow alot of Hopkins fans are going to be depressed.
     
  9. Hex-One

    Hex-One P4P #1 Full Member

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    I got Hopkins via dec. :happy
     
  10. 168 lbs

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    Pavlik close decision. Ain't gonna be no KOs fellers.
     
  11. cannon5974

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    I predict Hopkins ko's Pavlik.

    At 160 Pavlik out works Hopkins for a close decision. Hopkins punches a lot harder at light Heavy. Jermain Taylor had Pavlik on ***** street in the first fight and 170lb Hopkins punches much harder!

    Hopkins via ko with 8 rounds!!
     
  12. Bazooka

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  13. Hermit

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    I'm starting to think this is possible of Jones has the cardio.
     
  14. Hermit

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    Going to put your hard 'unearned' vcash on that one? :lol:
     
  15. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both fighters made weight!

    PAVLIK 169
    HOPKINS 170