Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TBC-ASAP, Jan 7, 2022.
If they can't cherry pick the Olympians anymore. They will struggle.
Connor Benn obviously been a big success but that is only down to his Dad's name in reality, he has really relied on the Olympic cycles. Even Dillian in a roundabout way his success is only due to the Olympics
I totally agree. This is also why I would suggest Matchroom Boxing to place some of their UK boxers on the undercard of american DAZN Shows. It should be possible.
Whyte's success is based off a decent punch to AJ's temple and knocking out Lucas Brown
What about beating chisora twice, parker, rivas, povetkin, helenius and wach. I m not whytes biggest fan but lets be fair here whytes not in the position he is because of knocking out lucas brown and a decent punch against joshua.
What about them?
Chisora has lost twelve times. Dillian beat him once and lost once but got a Matchroom decision. Nothing much of note there. As for the rest it doesn't take long to sum up- got knocked out cold by Povetkin, then beat him post covid aged 42, beat Rivas in the most dubious circumstances imaginable (even without that, why mention it Rivas is a nobody), Helenius and Wach fair enough beat them both but again so what? Two decent wins nothin more nothing less.
Parker stands out as a name BUT- he beat him courtesy of a deliberate headbutt which a Matchroom HQ ref counted as a knockdown. So in other words he cheated, and the ref aided and abetted him. Without that we are probably looking at a draw.
The words smoke and mirrors spring to mind.
Regarding Conor Benn, someone mentioned above he has been a big success.
How an earth has he been a big success?? He's never had a single meaningful fight, never won a title, doesn't look close to winning one, and is in a competitive division where he gets eaten alive when he steps up. He's made good money true enough- so that alone makes him a big success?
Point being, it is still intwind in the Olympic cycle
We,re all getting carried away with the hearn hate on here now. This is silly talk not really based on reality. Excuses for every win. Everybodies a nobody etc.
The truth is guys like povetkin we,re rated something like 5th or 6th in the world...chisora around 12th in the world etc. Wach and helenius tough tests for anybody thats not somebody. Rivas another dangerous fight...hes a good fighter and parker who,s viewed as about 5th best in the world. Or there abouts with all of them. If your beating 4 or 5 or 6 guys in the top 20 in the world...your doing allright. Fail to see how we can pick a guy like brown who was far inferior to these guys at that point...and say it was because he knocked him out.
People need to realise if your in the top twenty in the whole world at something it means your no mug and definetely deserve respect. Your not giving them respect off of watching them fight other guys in the top twenty....put them in against no marks and you,ll see how good these guys really are. Instead of labelling everybody thats not the very best in the world ss puddings...its silly really. These guys would have been found out a long time ago if they we,re infact puddings. The truth issome very talented and great fighters up and down every country never made it to that level.
This is widely forgotten. That round, due to a wrong referee call, caused a 3 point swing in the scorecards. If all 3 judges had scored the round 10-9 parker (which they should have as he was winning the round), the fight would have been called a draw. This is the same Parker by the way who struggled with a 22-year old undeveloped Hughie fury only a year previously
The Brown fight was not PPV, but sky sports and used as a measuring stick in regards to putting Whyte on PPV there after, that's how
Nothing to do with quality
There not excuses though, that's the point. I also never once said 'everybody is a nobody'. I used that description for Rivas. Who is a nobody in my view. He had never done anything of note in the sport. Do you remember the cloud under which Dillian beat him? It has been very well documented. How on earth is that an excuse? He failed a drug test. His b sample then got lost, vanished never to be seen again. His team failed to notify team Rivas of the fail. His promoter then said 'Dillian's lawyers are dealing with that' every time it was mentioned for the next 18 months. The truth has still not fully come out.
As for Povetkin and Parker- not sure how Dillian cheating his way to victory is an excuse? He got his lights switched off by Povetkin. He then fought a Povetkin who had no business being in a boxing ring, in what was a disgrace and embarrassment. The man could barely stand up straight!
I don't want to get into rankings in detail as it's too long a topic (Povetkin was never ranked 5th at the time btw), but as anybody who has been around the sport (and by that I don't mean just watching it on the TV) will happily tell you boxing rankings are close to meaningless. They have infact become a joke the last 10 years. Ability has very little objective bearing on rankings nowadays. All you need to do to climb up the rankings is find fighters who are also ranked and slightly inferior to you, who you can fight and beat. That's not difficult as a organization can and will move fighters up or down the rankings to suit how much money a promoter or promoters backer is willing to 'invest'. Let's just leave it at that...
Well outside of the champions...who,s beaten a better list of fighters in the last 3 or 4 years. If whytes so undeserving...surely theres a lot of guys out there with a good list of names on their recent resume thats not already had a go at a title.
A few years back I was so lucky - in the course of my work - to follow a great british heavyweight star in the preparations for a fight. On paper "a routine fight", but I was really surprised at how hard it was. Since then, I have had tremendous respect for boxers.
Totally agree mate. Seems easy watching it all from the comfort of our settees but different matter when you actually get a proper insight like you,ve had yourself.
I,d go ss fsr to say anyone thats competed at any sort of level at any sport will know really how hard and competetive it is to become the best. Add to that boxing is one of the hardest sports itself.
We,re on a boxing forum tho half the fun is about getting carried away but people are getting silly with it. Their all puddings etc. Or they,ve only beat puddings etc. Silly talk really.
Come on mate - a good fart from Tony Bellew would have knocked Pedvetkin clean out on his way to the ring for the Pudding Whyte rematch.