Matthew Saad Muhammad vs Victor Galindez

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  1. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who wins this fight, prime for prime?:rasta
     
  2. robert ungurean

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  3. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime for Prime, slight edge to Victor, though Saad could very well win.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Victor had a steel chin. Matt's best chance to stop him is to use the same strategy Mike Rossman dethroned him with. Go for the eyes.
    Matt's not going to be the one making his opponent expend energy first in this one. Galindez would do what Galindez did; make his opponent use his legs first, expend his energy pounding after Victor's head, while Galindez reclines on the ropes, using them to wing off roundhouse bombs to Matt's body and head.

    Going into the championship rounds, Matt will have a significant lead in all probability. He'll also be running out of steam, while Galindez is running out of blood. In this war of attrition though, the guerrilla finishes the kill.

    Galindez TKO 14 Saad Muhammad
     
  5. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have sat down and looked back at both of thier careers. IMO, Galindez has a better light heavyweight resume than bob foster. I'm sure many would disagree, but if you look at it with an objective eye, it's true he beat the better light heavyweights. Matthew Saad Muhammad is one of my favourite fighters and he is a good person but i see him getting stopped in the late rounds.
     
  6. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great match up! Galindez would use bull tactics to keep Saad on the defensive & jump to an early lead. Both fighters would be cut & this would turn into a bloodbath. Galindez would have to try & close the show in the eighth thru tenth. If Saad survives to the championship rounds he will find a way to pull out the win by decision or a late round KO. Saad was known for taking huge amounts of punishment & coming back to somehow win the fight. A war with Galindez is just right up Saad's alley. A fight which would bring out the best in him.
     
  7. Doc McCoy

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    I'd be surprised if this were the case as Galindez was generally a slow starter who came on in the later rounds. The man was extremely thickset through the chest and neck so should be able to handle Saad's best shot and once Matthew tasted a few choice left hooks to the face from Victor then I think he would be less willing to stand and trade than normal.

    Let's face it Saad was generally easy to tag and Galindez would tag him aplenty. Galindez had real explosive power and good ring-smarts not to mention a propensity to "bend" the rules on occasion (see the first Yaqui Lopez fight for examples).

    Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of Saad and he's one of my favourite fighters to watch but Galindez is an ATG at 175lb and would find a way to win this one, most likely by decision or late stoppage on cuts.

    Interestingly Galindez avenged all his losses bar the last 2 to Marvin Johnson & at cruiser to Jesse burnett.

    Great match-up of contrasting styles.
     
  8. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Saad is my favourite lightheavyweight ever, and Galindez is not far behind, so this makes it a very hard one to pick for me. But after thinking it over, I would have to go with Saad by late TKO in a very, very hard fight for him. First of all, in his prime it was the cuties that gave Galindez trouble, not face first brawlers who wore inviting targets on their chins.

    Lets face it, Matt wouldn`t duck from a punch if his life depended on it, and Vic will be landing plenty as a result. Couple that with the fact that Saad was a slow starter, and what you have is Saad taking a beating in the early going. But, Saad took everything two huge bangers like Marvin Johnson and Eddie Mustafa could put on him, and just kept on coming. Victor doesn`t hit anywhere near as hard as those two, so he won`t be stopping Matt, no way.

    In Saad, Vic will also be facing one of the few lightheavyweights of his era who was physically stronger than him. I think that by the 5th or 6th round, after having likely lost all the early rounds, Saad will start coming on strong and busting up the frail skin around Victor`s eyes with that long, hard jab of his, and hurting Galindez with big shots from long range with his powerful right.

    Matt for all his defensive liability, had some of the best late rounds stamina I have ever seen from any fighter. He also had an inhuman ability to withstand punishment, and an indomitable will to win to go along with his powerful right hand. That power and stamina of his is what will eventually tilt this bout decisively his way in the middle rounds in my opinion. I will go with Saad by TKO late in the bout, but Galindez will get his pound of flesh in and then some before he gets taken out.

    Galindez is often overlooked, but he was one hell of a fighter. Unfortunately most people only remember the heavily scar tissued, battle worn version of Victor, not the peak version of between `74 and `76. At one point Victor had a 43 bout unbeaten streak, and he had faced anyone and everyone there was to fight save for Conteh, and he beat them all. He had 10 title defenses overall (more than Saad) and he arguably beat the better comp as well.

    He lost to Rossman and Johnson at the tail end of his career, and had already suffered one detached retina going into the Rossman bout which was more than likely a contributing factor in his loss to the Jewish bomber. But he showed in the rematch that the first bout was an abberation, and destroyed Rossman in the return. As for the Johnson bout, he was far past his prime by then.

    Marvin`s style was tailor made for Galindez to counter the hell out of, and in his prime I think he would have done one brutal paintjob on Marvin. But, after hurting Marvin at the bell to end the 4th, he didn`t do much of anything until the 11th when he came storming out of the gates only to run into a left cross to the temple and it was all she wrote. In the end, all those hard fights against the very best clearly took a toll on the man. But at his peak Galindez was one heck of a fighter, maybe not an all-time great, but just a c-hair short of it in my book.
     
  9. JohnBKelly

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    Great fight, I reckon Matt wins but only just. However when you consider that John Conteh pushed Matt close in the first fight Galindez who was tougher than Conteh could easily put Matt away. Great fight I wish it had happened.
     
  10. Xplosive

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    I'd take Galindez by UD if both are at thier very bests.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Marvin Johnson: "Galindez was the smartest fighter I ever fought. He was very senaky. He was right there in your face, and he made you think he was on defense when he was waiting to counterpunch. You couldn't see the punches when he struck. He was also good defensively, giving a targget and then letting the punches slide off his shoulders or rolling with them. And at least when I fought him, he was in great condition.

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    Saad Muhammad could take so much punishment. My fights with Saad, he fought me for control form the start, which is what made them so interesting. He had a very, very stong chin, stronger than any other man i've ever fought. I hit Saad with my best shot and all I got out of it was a buckled knee. Saad wasn't a smart fighter. I felt I could hit him at will. H wasn't good at slilpping or sliding. He took punches to get his own offense going. But he was a hard puncher and could wear a man down, as was the case with me.

    This wouldn't a classic because Galindez would have control. He wouldn't stand toe to toe and he wouldn't wear out. Experience would also be a factor. Galindez by a kayo in the 11th or 12th."
     
  12. McGrain

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    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad: "First i'd like to say that it was an honor to be in the ring with of these great champions. Both brought out the best in me, as they did in all of their opponents. Saad had a great resiliency; he could take punishment and come back form the brink of defeat. Galindez had that same gutty grit and determination. He was a great puncher and a very tough guy. You would really have toakte it to him. he wouldn't gev you anything. It was a you -kill-me or i'll-kill-you attitude.

    Saad had the abiliyt to adapt to styles. Early in his career he was a better boxer. Galindez would try to be an aggressive counterpuncher. Saad would abandon the boxing style and go right at him.

    Like with a lot of Saad's fights, I see Galindez catching hm with a lot of punhces. Saad took a lot of punishment and he'd get cut. I think Galindez would do well early but he would have had problems making the weight, Saad would start to come on in the 11th round and turn the tide. There was no quit in either guy, but I think Saad would come on and stop Galindez in the 15th."
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    As always, a great anaysis RB!!:good
     
  14. My2Sense

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    I always thought Saad had too many weapons for Galindez.

    I'd lean toward by late (cuts) stoppage.
     
  15. ThinBlack

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    Victor takes a razor-thin split decision over Matthew, his competition being a bit better than Matthew's.