MAX BAER IN PLACE OF FOREMAN?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Max Baer in prime, challenges Joe Frazier in place of Foreman.
    How s he do?.
     
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  2. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Baer would probably last about as long as Dave Zyglewicz did...
     
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  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Max would put up a better fight than Zygliewicz did. Maybe even shaking Frazier once or twice but Joe wears down and stops his man by around the halfway mark.
     
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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    There's the big "if" though...that being if, like Ramos and Bonavena, he lands a fully torqued right hand...
     
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  5. It's Ovah

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    Frazier blasts him. Baer was no Foreman.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Your right Stevie, he definitely does better than ziggy. Joe wasn't taking Boxing seriously then either. By all accounts he didn't think a great deal of George. And even though max is a long way off punching like foreman he could belt. This wasn't Fotc Frazier. He could take max lightly and pay the price. It would be a long shot but taking things into consideration its not impossible imo.
     
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  7. Fergy

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    Certainly. I don't want to build max up as another foreman by any means. But I think it rests more with how prepared Joe is and how much baer wants it. If Frazier gets going in to the middle round s then max is gonna get hurt. Any chance max has, has got to be early and hurt Joe fast. Can he punch hard? Yes. Can he hit hard enough to stop Frazier? It's a question mark for me.
     
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  8. janitor

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    On paper it is Baer's fight to lose.

    He had all of the physical and stylistic advantages over Frazier that Foreman had, and this cannot simply be ignored.

    This being Max Baer, he could still find a way to lose it though.
     
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  9. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Max shakes off a few hard shots from Joe during the early rounds and acts like it doesn't hurt. Then somewhere in the mid rounds, Joe lands that left hook and Max wakes up counting ceiling tiles.
     
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  10. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All above.....great comments...^^^^^^^^^^.
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    As usual, good positive post from you Longhhorn71.
     
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  12. Jester

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    I don't see Frazier putting Max down for the 10. He had a chin of pure iron. But once Joe finds his rhythm, things would get ugly for Baer, and the ref or his corner might have to save him from punishment. Baer could wobble Frazier with a couple of big right hands, but I just don't see him being able to bomb Frazier out early, or match his pace into the late rounds.
     
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  13. Seamus

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    He had some of the physical, less of the stylistic and significantly less of the qualitative advantages that Foreman had.

    Frazier gets to him early and often, tangles those feet into a mess and batters him into a Chuvalo-esque stoppage.
     
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  14. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Max would find a home for that right and make it a short night
     
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  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Let us examine your analysis:

    Some of the physical:

    He hit as hard Foreman give or take a little, he probably took a slightly better punch, he had better stamina by a big margin, there was next to nothing between them in height or reach, and while he probably wasn't as strong as Foreman, he was obviously still a lot stronger than Frazier.

    Less of the stylistic:

    What a load of bs.

    You can't put a cigarette paper between their styles.

    Significantly less of the qualitative:

    There isn't that much left to separate them.

    Perhaps Baer doesn't have the discipline, or the killer instinct to win this, but it would be presumptuous to say that he never could.
     
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