Thanks for the input - I agree on all counts. Nice to see that there are fans who are that familiar with Baer and his career. I'm not arguing Baer was anything more than what he was, a guy with a LOT of talent, who never really fullfilled his potential. In fact, I think your comparision with Liston is quite apt. If Baer applied himself, I think he would have dominated the period between Tunney and Louis, and in fact, been Louis's major rival. Sadly, it wasn't meant to be.