max baer/max schmeling fight 1933

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  1. norman marcus

    norman marcus New Member Full Member

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    hello i'm norm marcus and i just finished writing a book about the boxers of the 1930s ,concentrating on the former heavyweight champ max baer. it always amazed me that louis gets the credit for beating the nazi champion schmeling in 1938 while baer knocked out the german in 1933 and no one remembers the fight .not only that but baer's father was a jew and maxie fought schmeling.. with a jewish star sewn on his trunks-hitler didn't like that.baer caught the german in the 10th round with his over hand right and it was the end for the german.as schmeling fell baer growled at him" thats for hitler".schmeling got up on the count of 9 but ran into more of baer's bombs.baer begged referee arthur donovan to stop the fight which donovan did.baer didn't want to kill the german as he had frankie campbell in 1930. he settled for a tko and saved the helpless german's life.schmeling refused to fight baer again in the states for the rest of the 1930s.baer also fought joe louis in 1935 and lost in 4 rounds.what most don't know is that baer took the fight with two broken hands that he got months before in his fight with jimmy braddock. baer had to beat louis within 3 months in order to get a rematch with braddock for the title, no time for the hands to heal .baer was no boxer and without his big right hand, louis fired at will.yet baer never used that as an excuse ,the hands were never mentioned.louis also refused to face baer again ducking him until baer retired in 1940.no one wanted to face a healthy max baer, his right hand was too unpredictable.by the way, guess who the number one contender in 1940 was-you guessed it, max baer! anyone know of anyone in the book business who might be interested in this story?my book is full of super stories like this.if you know of anyone ,write back, otherwise tell me what you think of my book,i need the feed back.
     
  2. sandwichsurgeon

    sandwichsurgeon Active Member Full Member

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    You've come to the wrong place mate, most of the people here can't read never mind read a whole book, some people that post here actually think that Wlad would beat Louis:lol:
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    You wrote a book? Has it got a crowded layout, no capital letters starting sentences and **** poor punctuation?
     
  4. norman marcus

    norman marcus New Member Full Member

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    thanks for the info my friend,i took a shot ,after all you seem rather intelligent.don't sell the people short,one contact will do it. keep punchin'.
     
  5. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, this belongs on the classic forum. I started a thread on this very fight over there a couple months ago. I loved the fight, it was very entertaining. I don't know why people say it was so one sided, as Schmeling was landing his right pretty consistently throughout and Baer relied a lot on blatant fouls. I gotta give Schmeling credit, he put up a good fight against a well conditiond and determined Baer (Which wasn't always the case with Baer) who put on arguably the best performance of his career. There's no way in hell I thought he'd be able to get up from that monster (and I mean MONSTER) right hand in the tenth, but he did. I think the hostile environment had a very detramental psychological effect on Schmeling. Like I said, it was a very entertaining fight, Schmeling and Baer are two of my favorites of all time. Oh, and Schmeling wasn't a nazi.
     
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  6. Dojo

    Dojo The Animal Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Now that is funny.:lol:
     
  7. norman marcus

    norman marcus New Member Full Member

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    schmeling had several tax problems in the 30s that hitler took care of for him.his wife listened to the baer and louis fight on frau goebbels'radio(the wife of hitler's propaganda minister).he gave louis money because he was concerned for his image in the states.he could have left germany any time during the 1930s but stayed and did pr for the nazis.don't be taken in by schmeling.he was a fence sitter and waited to see which way to jump.as for the critic of my typing i agree,i never said i was a good secratary,thats what an editor is for.an email doesn't have to be pretty.your response shows alot of anger ,i wish you luck.
     
  8. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, Schmelling was such a good Nazi he hid Jewish children in his hotel room on Kristallnacht; he was such a good Nazi that he ended up being drafted into the Wehrmacht as a paratrooper and assigned to a unit that was basically expected to perform a suicide mission in order to get rid of him; except he lived. Nothing like a bit of posthumous bashing of a great man. Ever been to Arlington National Cemetery and Joe Louis' grave? Know who paid for that tombstone; for the whole service for Joe at Arlington? Max Schmelling.
     
  9. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I don't know about an editor, you need a elementary school teacher....
     
  10. Tito Time

    Tito Time slayin um Full Member

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    I love the way ESB treats newbies.
     
  11. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    guy knows his ****. stop being a dick.
     
  12. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    If Wlad lived in the 1930s, the sport would be a lot different today. They would have had to have '2 on 1' matches, and 'Ok Now blindfold Wlad for a round' matches for it to be fair :deal

    Wlad vs Braddock?????? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Come on now, Braddock seemed like a good guy, no need for an early life execution :yep
     
  13. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Schmeling was a fine man who got a bum rap for a long time about so called Nazi connections. He protected two Jewish boys during the war, and if he was the self promoting ******* type, he would have trumpeted this information long before it was made known to redeem his good name. The fact that he did not shows me that he was a good man of character who deserves a better shake from the historians than he has recieved. I admire him as a fighter too, for his masterful strategy against Louis the first time. Remember, Louis scarede the hell out of his opponents by just being in the ring with them, and for good reason too. Schmeling, however, was cool and confident in carrying out his strategy, his battle plan in that 1936 fight, and even though he made the Nazis deliriously happy by, in their minds, proving German superiority, and all that racial crap, I was profoundly impressed by the fearless manner in which Schmeling faced down Louis, and used brains and of course, that great right hand of his to score a crushing upset victory. The rematch, of course, vindicated Joe, and proved what an all time great champion he was, but credit has to be given to Max for his victory two years earlier, as well. As for Schmeling-Baer, well, that was an example of Max Baer at HIS all time best, when he was motivated to really fight, and forsake all that clowning around, which marred much of his career. Schmeling himself, in his autobiography, confesses that he had no excuses for that fight, and thatnhe was well prepared and in shape, but that Baer would not be denied that night.
     
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