Max Baer Trained By Emanuel Steward

Steward would have some good raw materials to work with in Baer. . Durable chin. Huge power. Good fighter’s instinct. But there would be a lot of things he’d have to fix too. In the end I’m sure he produces a “ better “ fighter. By How much ? Not sure.

 

It would probably fall apart. Max didn't take boxing as seriously as Stewart would've wanted him to.

 

Max had as many physical tools as any heavyweight who ever climbed into a ring.

Unfortunately, physical tools aren’t enough, and I don’t know if Steward working in conjunction with Angelo Dundee, Cus D’Amato and the ghosts of Jack Blackburn, Charlie Goldman and Mickey Goldhill could get through that thick skull.

 

This.

Coaching is not puppetry. You don’t manipulate a guy with strings and make him do what you want. What makes a good coach is a good and willing pupil.

It’s like people who say ‘if Tyson had stayed with Kevin Rooney,’ as if it was Rooney running those miles and doing the sparring and doing the drills in the gym and … living right with singular dedication and devotion to boxing.

Rooney wouldn’t have made a difference because Tyson was no longer a teenager — he was heavyweight champion of the world, rich and young and eager to enjoy the fruits of that labor after spending years trapped in the middle of nowhere in upstate New York with an old man who was filling him with guru talk. He was going to rebel sooner or later, and he did.

Mike was the cash cow and he woke up at some point and decided he was going to do what he wanted to do and they worked for him. So he laid down some rules — Rooney had one rule: “Don’t talk about my wife or my marriage.” What did Kevin do? Immediately gave an interview where he talked about Mike’s wife and his marriage. Goodbye Kevin.

But Mike regardless of who was training him was going to work exactly as hard and as much as he wanted and nobody was going to make him do more.

 

That would be an interesting question in and of itself: "Who is the guy who's best at making people listen?"

 

I saw a doco that indicated that Mike was beginning to be not so compliant even when Cus was still alive and that gave Cus cause for concern.

So yeah, it would seem that the alleged external influences were a bit overstated and the specific effects of their passing/departures somewhat exaggerated.

Tbh, if a fighter had to be so closely guided and controlled to keep them in line (as has been suggested in the case of Mike) that equates to a precariously stalled disaster waiting to happen imo.

At some point, as they mature, the fighter has to take the practices and wisdom he’s been taught and make a good measure of them his own - self initialised.

 

It kind of depends who you are talking to, just as much as what you are saying. People have different ways of communicating and of listening and it is best if those ways complement one another. Over time you learn how to communicate differently so that you can communicate to more people.

 

I think that whoever trains Baer, you are going to come up against the same problem.

He woudl just revert to form as soon as the bell rang.

You wouldn't be the first person to have the idea, that all you needed to do was tach Baer to box, and then he would be great.

 

Max took boxing seriously for about two years and won the belt. So the potential was always there…idk how good of a communicator Steward was personally w his fighters. The guys he usually took on were pretty straight laced serious guys. Not sure he would have given Max a chance as he prob gave his corners nightmares as they dragged him drunkenly from brothels on a nightly basis.

 

Max took boxing seriously for one fight, and it wasn't the one where he won the title.

He was a man child in the body of a god.

 

"Max Baer Trained By Emanuel Steward" this version would be dangerous for Joe Louis

 

Wait, why are Blackburn, Goldhill and Goldman ghosts but the rest aren’t?

 

Which one damn it!

 

Honestly I have no clue why I did that.