Max Baer vs big strong hitters

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    His reflexes.

    His chin didn't hurt either.

    See the Wilder comparison!
     
  2. BCS8

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    I did say, with some skill, too, tbf. Galento was a big hitter with a chin but he had little skill. He hung with Baer for a while in a sloppy slugfest but eventually Baer ripped him up, and well he should have since Galento's fight plan was to walk face first into every punch Max could throw. Schmeling was Baer's best win, and normally I'd have put money on a guy like Schmeling to beat Baer ... except for he seemed to have the same plan Galento had had :confused:
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Are you new here? These guys like to pretend that even the crudest sluggers, maulers, and brawlers from the first half of the 20th century had underrated skills, footwork, and ring smarts. Or how else would they have won titles and beaten ranked contenders? The way some of tell it, Max Baer combines the best of both Foremans with a little bit of Larry Holmes thrown in for good measure.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Larry Holmes looked at that sort of swishing back-and-forth punch Baer did and thought "I gotta get me some of that". But alas, the Easton Assassin never did learn that technique lost to the mists of time. :(
     
  5. 70sFan865

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    Nobody says Baer was as good as Foreman, but he was a very good fighter, unorthodox one with lapses in his game but still extremely dangerous. His power, reflex, athleticism and chin made him a monster who was very tough to overcome. It was possible mostly because his mind wasn't always into boxing but you wouldn't win a fight against Baer without pain.
     
  6. BCS8

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    I've argued that Baer was largely a triumph of physicality over skill for quite a long time now. He was generally larger and much more powerful than the guys that he faced.
     
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  7. 70sFan865

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    He faced a lot of bigger guys than himself though. You can say the same with Foreman and that wouldn't make him bad.
     
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  8. Jackomano

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    Yes. Baer had fast hands, was good at catching punches on the inside, and great at rolling punches.

    Baer didn’t struggle with size or power, but he did seriously struggle with crafty fighters that had quicker hands than him, which is why he lost to Farr, Loughran, Braddock, and Nova.

    Baer’s handspeed advantage, superior timing, and defense would neutralize Ruddock, Lyle, and Williams.
     
  9. Jackomano

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    This. Baer’s handspeed and timing made Carnera’s size and reach a nonfactor just like Ruiz’s handspeed and timing did to Joshua.
     
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  10. janitor

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    Except when he wasn't!

    Carnera was not the best fighter of the era, but he could beat the Levinsky's and Loughran's who populated the rankings, by sticking his jab in their face, and leaning on them when they got in close.

    Baer just turned him in to toast, because when he got an opening, his right found his mark without even thinking about it!

    This guy had god given reflexes.

    Damn shame he never learned to box!
     
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  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's true, Baer struggled against quicker fighters. That's why Louis blowed him so quickly. That's why Farr and Loughran beat him.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

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    You'd be surprised. There are plenty of people who consider them to be extremely evenly matched, and several posters have picked Baer to beat him in past head-to-head matchups.
     
  13. janitor

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    Foreman admired Baer, and even replicated his cross armed defense, later in his career!
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    What other qualities did he have?
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    Nobody would say that Young was as good fighter as Foreman but he beat him. H2H is much different. I wouldn't pick Maxie over Foreman peak vs peak, but he would be very tough opponent for him.