Max Baer vs David Tua

Foreman was not wide open for Frazier because Frazier got thrown around like a toy before he could work inside. Pushing him away and pivoting around him and setting up eventual powershots against smokin joe. Baer does not do this and Tua has a better chin than Frazier anyway. Baer is a stiff with no headmovment that marches Forward looking to land some big blows. Even Foreman's head movement was a level or 2 above Baer and thats one of Foreman's worst traits. Even if Baer could jab and move well he'd still get caught late because he'd get worked down round by round and the fact that he had 0 evasiveness makes it even easier for little Dave

 

facts dont know why your explaining to a crazy troll though he knows already max was nothing like George

 

Yeah you right reach does matter in exchanges, thats why Tua would be at an advantage, because those short stubby arms would allow for Tua to unleash tighter hooks and uppercuts than Baer. They'd get to their target quicker

 

facts

 

Cowardice.

 

Yes, and this is exactly what Baer would do to Tua.

He might not do it as elegantly, but he would have the same fight plan, and the same tools.

He does, but then Chuvalo had a better chin than Frazier, and he didn't get far against Foreman either.

I really don't see head movement as being important, in a fight between a slugger and a swarmer.

Tua is still going to have to walk through three of Baer's shots to land one of his own, and he isn't exactly hard to hit himself.

In fact the only major thing separating these two men defensively is reach.

Baer could jab, as the film clearly shows, but I don't see his jab as being important in this fight.

Tua will just eat too many right hands trying to get in, and nobody can take what Baer dished out indefinitely.

I don't see this ending in a stoppage though.

Eventually I think that Tua will get discouraged, and take the silent contract, plodding forward but not doing enough to force the fight.

The end result will be a points win for Baer.

 

Are you serious?

 

Tua prolly finds a way to lose...

If Baer was slicker (or had much defense at all), I might make him the favorite...

Problem is its an underachiever vs a clown.

 

Yes im serious. Shorter armed fighters can generally throw tighter combinations because guess what, their arms are shorter. That doesn't mean taller fighters are always at a disadvantage but Baer certainly would be, because Tua is actually the faster fighter.

 

You are kind of trying to turn the stylistic dynamic on its head here.

Having shorter arms can be an advantage in some situations, but a swarmer trying to march on a rangier slugger, is certainly not one of them.

 

facts agian the whole tall thing is a myth as a advantage it works that way only when the boxer taller knows how to use it it's not just cause a person is tall

 

so now your trolling him more after saying bull and exposed like always
we should be asking you If your serious which we know your not on max winning does his style upgrade to lennox or anybody else who survived dave

 

Ridiculous.
he attempted none of that against Joe Louis or bin man Gene Stanton and Foreman is levels above Buddy Baer. How do you not understand this ? It's not even a comparison.

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What we see here is a a big man using a terrible jab to dictate pressure against a fat uncorrdinated bum and shows sloppy infighting in the process and keep in mind the footage is sped up so their not actually moving that fast. Baer fought nothing like Foreman. You think Cooney fights like Foreman too ? Baer would attempt to walk Tua down and get landed on at will. Tua isn't hard to hit but his head movement is 3 times better. He would not, move, pivot, or push Tua away on various occasions like Foreman would. He would march forward and take shots to land his own. This is where the trouble starts. He'd infight with Tua and get landed on every second because he has zero head movement. And when Tua drops him, he's going to blitz him instead of trying to pick his shots like Louis. It would be a devastating KO. LOL it's not as simple as "slugger beats swarmer" or else Ruddock would have beaten Tyson. Buddy Baer would fight Tua head to head and get massacred because Tua is far morr skilled in the pocket. He can counter over a jab QUICKLY and slip a combination in the pocket to land his own powerful flurry.

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Baer is no more technically refined than this bum that got flattened by Tua.

 

Tua chops him in half.

 

I am leaning more and more towards Baer here. Prime Max had a short run (partying and not training) but at his best he was a beast.