Max Baer vs. Gene Tunney 15rds.

I agree 100%.:good

 

ha, still not a fan of Gene?!?!

what under 200lb smart boxer with a good jab, ring movement/science and a smart set of mental capabilities did Max Baer take out?

He is 0-1.

If Loughran could beat him, Tunney could beat him, Especially 1927-8 Gene vs. 1933 Baer.

Only question is whether or not a 36 year old past his prime Gene could do the trick when Baer was actually champ...which I would still bet on Gene taking!

 

He's not going to say he could have beat Dempsey, because Dempsey was his hero, and also an advisor/manager/promoter/friend of his while champ. But I don't think he beats either, not that I have anything against him or don't think on a good night he would be a lot tougher than many give him credit for.

Truth is, he probably stands a slightly better chance of beating Dempsey than Tunney. But, I bet it sold papers!

He was a better actor than Gene or Jack though, from what I read about their acting abilities.

 

Actually Loughran did meet with Baer, twice !

"Despite his win, Tommy Loughran showed his admiration for Max's potential. "That left that Max landed on my chin in the ninth had me a bit foggy," Loughran admitted after the fight. "He also had me going in the second round. "I thought I had him at the end of the seventh when I clipped him on the chin with a left hook, but he rallied courageously. Max is the greatest prospect I ever saw. In another year, he should be the equal of any heavyweight in the game. He's a hard puncher, a clean, game fighter and a likeable fellow."

Max was equally envious of that left of Tommy's. In a move that shocked the press and was covered nationwide, Max showed up at Tommy's dressing room after the bout and asked Tommy for a boxing lesson. They met at a coffee shop near the Garden and "to the surprise of their fellow diners, some of whom had been at the fight, Tommy was buying Max lunch." Over sandwiches and java, Tommy discoursed on Max's weak left jab and his habit of telegraphing his punches. After lunch, as patrons gaped like a brace of fish strung on a line, the two boxers strolled out and proceeded to a gymnasium, where the master taught his apt student some tricks of the trade.


Tommy Loughran was a supporter of Baer prior to the Schmeling bout:

In May, 1933, "Two of his staunchest rooters have developed in two former world's champions, Tommy Loughran, Philadelphia light-heavyweight king, and Pete Latzo, the Scranton middleweight, both frequent visitors to his camp. Loughran, who fought Baer two years ago, admits that there is no comparison between the Baer of today and the less experienced

fighter he was then. Admitting that Baer was one of the hardest hitters he ever fought, Loughran also concedes that Baer is even a more devastating puncher today as a result of shortening up on his swings. "Right now he's probably the hardest hitter among the heavyweights," says Tommy. Baer has developed the trait of seriously analyzing himself after each of his daily workouts. He sits down with Mike Cantwell his trainer, and Ancil Hoffman, his manager, and will talk for an hour over what he did. Mentally, he is all fight, and the change to the belting beauty from Livermore is all too obvious to those who know him well."


Grantland Rice wrote in June, 1933, just prior to the Schmeling bout:

"You won't see the Baer who fought Loughran, I suggested, "The Baer that fought Loughran was a young, inexperienced fighter barely more than 20. The Baer who will meet Max Schemling is a different animal-- bigger,stronger, a harder hitter, a better boxer and, what is more important, far more experienced.”


Regards,
Cat

www.maxbaer.org

 

Which Baer-Levinksy bout are you referring to ?

The 1st in Jan 1932, where Max and King laughed when they hit and laughed when the missed, where Max forced the fight and King's looping rights didn't hurt him ?

The 2nd in July, 1932, when sports editors stated Max showed "skill and endurance" while King "wilted in the heat ?"

Or the 3rd, an exhibition in Dec, 1934, where Max knocked King out ?

Oh ! and Max won all three !!

Cat
www.maxbaer.org

 

You should look beyond the usual 2-3 bouts that everyone uses to discuss Baer failings and read the coverage of his earlier bouts. From 1929-1933, yes Max had the right, but the papers and his rivals mentioned his "gatling gun" left and how he turned his opponents' torso red with his body punches in the clinches

Regards,
Cat
www.maxbaer.org

 

I'm going to go wity Tunney by schoolage 15.